C'mon, like you never asked yourself, "If Rorschach went up against Dark Knight Batman, who would win?"
Other battles I'd like to see in DC's "Arena":
Neil Gaiman's Sandman Vs. Jack Kirby's Sandman
The cast of "Camelot 3000" Vs. the cast of "Ronin"
Jim Aparo Commissioner Gordon Vs. Tim Sale Commissioner Gordon
Evey from "V For Vendetta" Vs. Arrowette
Grant Morrison's cat from "Animal Man" Vs. Power Girl's cat from "Justice League Europe"
Jacques Derrida Vs. Mother Teresa
REM's Peter Buck Vs. Rico Suave
"Jacques Derrida Vs. Mother Teresa"
ReplyDeleteFANTASTIC. No pun intended.
Wait... that's not real art, right? They're not really using Watchmen characters in a Countdown tie-in. Right?
ReplyDelete'Cept the Sandman knuckleduster already went down!
ReplyDeleteAlso: seething hate. Also: re: admit it, if you were 10 years old, you'd think this was awesome....
...I kind of see the appeal.
Sure - when I was 10 I thought Secret Wars was awesome too.
ReplyDeleteThat doesn't mean it WAS, though...
Sure - when I was 10 I thought Secret Wars was awesome too.
ReplyDeleteThat doesn't mean it WAS, though...
No it's not real art. Just some Art Adams did for fun.
ReplyDeletePeter Buck would totally rule over Rico Suave. Buck has R.E.M. as backup. Who does Rico have?
ReplyDeleteNo contest:
ReplyDeleteMother Teresa had a vicious streak and would likely have wiped the floor with Jacques.
I was *really* hoping DC was going to use Watchmen just to see how angry Moore was going to get! Like my buddy said, DC should just hire someone to make Watchmen 2 and get it over with just to show they have no credibility!
ReplyDeleteIt took me forever to figure out the context of this; like, all day. Anyhow. The winners are:
ReplyDeleteKC GL vs. DS Supes=
Kingdom Come GL.
G by G Bat vs. E-2 Huntress=
Bats. Yeah. Who knew!
EW Supes vs. Amazonia WW=
?? who?
Hawk vs. BB Bat=
beats me? I'd guess Batboy.
Red Son Supe vs. Red Rain Bat=
is a vampire magic? Probably Supes.
Nail Joker vs. Robin 3000=
Laser gauntlets? ROBIN BY A MILE.
DarkestK Batlantern vs. SS GL=
Again, another Batwin.
Rorscharch vs. DK Bat=
looks like sweeps week for the Bat.
Does anyone know if Arena is going to feature a Batman/Midnighter fight? Because that would make my inner teenage fanboy happy.
ReplyDeleteThough, it would probably be over too soon: "I'm Batma-aaaAAAAUUGGHHHHH!"
SFX: "SNAP! CRUNCH! SPLUTCH!"
...& then Midnighter holding his crotch going EXTREME!!! EXTREME!!!! TO THE MAXXXXXX!!!!!
ReplyDeleteRico Suava is latin, he'll cut a bitch.
ReplyDeletesides, I don't see Michael Stipe backing anyone up, he's more into backing it up.
While it may cost me my Literati membership card, I have to say I'm more than a little bit pumped for this series. The notion is just so wonderfully insane that while I don't doubt they'll mess it up horribly, I'll be at the door anyway.
ReplyDeleteAnd nothing sells me on 'gigantic multiverse beatdown' quite like an Art Adams piece. I'm in.
Buck pwns Suave, especially if the fight occurs on a plane...
ReplyDeleteWell, obviously holding his crotch. I thought that sort of thing went without saying. Well, if Millar is writing him anyway. Ellis would probably have him do something to Batman's eyeballs.
ReplyDelete"...I kind of see the appeal."
ReplyDeleteHow can any fan not? It sounds like pure fun for the fans and I'm sure the creators. How can you NOT dig on Batman v. Rorschach? Hell, I think I'd buy a book that featured Batman and Rorschach just talking over a few cups of coffee.
Yeah, I'm really not getting the criticism here...almost Vic Chalker-ish.
Super fun picture. Too bad Rorschach isn't holding a can of beans.
ReplyDeleteOr god help us, smashing said can of beans into DKR-Batman's face. That would be the ultimate capper on the whole 'grim 'n gritty' '80s for me.
ReplyDeleteI'd love it if this had been an actual sequence in Arena. ^_~
ReplyDeleteSeriously, I met Keith Champagne and I have the highest hopes for this book. I am actually really excited about this book, especially since I don't consider it a Countdown book since it wasn't supposed to have Countdown on it originally. ^_~
Oh, and Peej's cat would totally whoop Morrison's cat.
ReplyDeleteThis book is just fan fiction porn taken the the ludicrous extreme.
ReplyDeleteAnd Rorschach in a scene with Batman? Seriously? Anyone who says that they want to see that completely missed the point of Watchmen.
Holy crap, people besides me remember Robin 3000?
ReplyDeleteKevin's copy isn't showing up for me. Anyone else have a problem?
"And Rorschach in a scene with Batman? Seriously? Anyone who says that they want to see that completely missed the point of Watchmen."
ReplyDeleteGuess I completely missed the point of Watchmen, because I can't freaking wait to see that meeting. In fact, pretty disappointed to hear that the pic was a mock-up.
Anyone who ever watched and enjoyed Celebrity Deathmatch isn't allowed to say this won't be awesome.
ReplyDeleteJim Carrey Vs. Mariah Carey...getting their asses pwned by Drew Carey.
WIN.
I thought Robin 3000 was "the Toy Wonder" or something?
ReplyDeleteOh I got the point of Watchmen, I'm just almighty sick of the point that was made. Give me some old fashioned superheroic fisticuffs, realism be damned!
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I don't think anyone wanting to see Rorschach in an old fashioned fisticuffs battle even begins to comprehend even the most superficial point of Watchmen. (I know how pretentious that sounds, but c'mon, Rorschach fighting Batman?) Rorschach, Night Owl, etc were washed up old heroes from a time when the world was viewed simpler than it was. They were out of place in the world even when they were in their prime. The whole book screamed against mindless superhero fights; it added an element of depth by having the characters become self-aware to how silly and stupid they were. With that story having been told with those characters, to start asking to see those same characters in fights against Batman or Blue Beetle or whoever is to miss the point of why a character like Rorschach even exists in the first place - to tell a story about how stupid and pointless a character like Batman is. It's not like there's some pre-Watchmen version of Rorschach that we knew and used to wonder back in the day if he could beat Batman or not. Rorschach exists primarily to be an allusion to a self-aware Batman thinking about how campy and stupid he is.
ReplyDeleteNow, if you want to talk about something like Moore's Supreme versus Superman, okay, there's something there. Moore's Suprere *is* a throwback to the old fisticuff stories of heroes fighting for the sake of being cool stories. But Rorschach exists purely to insult Batman and the simplicity of a typical Batman story pre-Watchmen.
Wow! Batman Beyond. I really hope they don't kill him off if that's supposed to be the same character from the cartoon, since that really screw up that animated continuity. Of course it's no worse than what could happen to some of the other characters. Still -- Batman Beyond? I wonder if this means the rest of the animated DC universe is canon now.
ReplyDeleteHave a good day.
G Morrow
Kenny -
ReplyDeletec'mon - people are waxing enthusiastic about fisticuffs between Mother Teresa and Jacques Derrida and you get all upset about a Batman/Rohrschach fight to the point of an overlong sermon on what the point of "Watchmen" was? And why? Because thou shalt never poke fun at "Watchmen", the Greatest Comic Story Ever(TM) and to understand its point is to agree with it?
I thought the point of Watchmen was that superheroes are totally awesome, like, even more than ninjas, pirates and zombies put together and that smart people are crazy and want to kill us. And that sex in superhero costumes is wicked sweet.
ReplyDeleteThat's what I got out of it. Nobody else got that?
Anybody?
;)
menshevik -
ReplyDeleteIt's not simply people making fun of Watchmen, nor is Watchmen God's Gift to Comics or whatever. I was under the impression people were being serious about Rorschach fighting Batman and I wanted to contribute to what I thought the discussion was about. If everyone in this thread was joking around, then hey, the joke's on me. Don't I look like the asshole?
"But Rorschach exists purely to insult Batman and the simplicity of a typical Batman story pre-Watchmen."
ReplyDeleteAnd you don't find the idea of them meeting really interesting just off that alone? Jeez, talk about a post-modern wet dream.
I thought the point of Watchmen was that superheroes are totally awesome, like, even more than ninjas, pirates and zombies put together and that smart people are crazy and want to kill us.
ReplyDeleteFALSE.
Watchmen is pro-pirate, as it has pirates in it.
But greater than ninjas, zombies, cowboys and vikings? True.
"And you don't find the idea of them meeting really interesting just off that alone? Jeez, talk about a post-modern wet dream."
ReplyDeleteMaybe I'm not artsy enough, but no, not really. By fighting with Batman, Rorschach and, by extension, all of the Watchmen characters, are reduced to mere comic book characters.
If the "fight" were handled by having Rorschach make Batman aware of how flat and silly he is, then maybe that would be interesting. But a fist fight? No, thank you. That sounds crass to me. Leave Watchmen as it is and every thing's peachy. Involve it as part of the DCU and it seems to me like it's devalued as a result.
"are reduced to mere comic book characters."
ReplyDeleteI can see that. Reduced to mere comic book characters...as opposed to...
Sorry, drawing a blank. Upon last inspection, mere comic book characters is what they are. We can argue over the quality thereof, but ultimately, they are comic book characters...although soon, they will also be film characters, so there is always that.
I'm sorry, I wasn't clear in my thoughts. While Rorschach and them are comic book characters, they're not flat, dimensionless, serial characters like Batman. Rorschach and them exist as a part of a defined story and they mean more - in a literary sense - by staying part of that story. Like, take Rorschach for example. Because he only exists in Watchmen, he represents certain symbolic ideas. Take him out of Watchmen and have him fight Batman and he's just another superhero character.
ReplyDeleteAnd nothing against Batman, either. If you see Batman, all you really think of are elements that define him as a character to be used in serial tales (i.e. rich playboy secret identity, fights crime against costumed bad guys, kid sidekick named Robin, etc.) If you see Rorschach, you think of both his defining elements as well as everything he represents in the context of his story.
I object to Rorschach and them being in Countdown: Areana, or any story, because it would just be DC siphoning a few dollars at the expense of literary credibility. I know they're a business, but at some point in time, the cannibalism has to stop.
I'm really waiting for a Batman fan to pipe up and say: "Rorschach becoming flat character would mean he gained a second dimension!"
ReplyDeleteNothing against Rorschach is to a large extent a caricature of Batman-like heroes (i. e. derivative) and in another aspect he is one of the hammers with which Alan Moore used to hit readers on the head with his message.
"Nothing against Rorschach is to a large extent a caricature of Batman-like heroes (i. e. derivative) and in another aspect he is one of the hammers with which Alan Moore used to hit readers on the head with his message."
ReplyDeleteInform the Monitors, someone's crossed over to our Earth from Earth-Retarded.
let's put it this way...would batman (a latex wearing,bat-impersonating,sidekick fondling dude) want to come up against a man who is willing to take down the mafia with nothing but a tin opener....nuff said.
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