"What happens is that if a character doesn’t work, we go, ‘We got a brand new direction to put him in! We’re moving him into something new! We’re going to try something brand new and different!"--Dan DiDio, bemoaning thinking outside the box and doing new things.
Back in 2007, I predicted that Blue Beetle, Firestorm, and Atom would eventually get axed, and soonish. The only thing I would want to clarify here is the phrase I used, "This is the likely fate for most ethnic reboots." As I said in my previous post: I believe that for the most part the comic book reading public have gotten past the race or ethnicity of a character, as long as the book is good. I honestly believe this. If these were such big "deal breakers," the film "Blade" wouldn't haven been so successful and essentially launched the age of the Marvel Movie.
But --
My concern is internally, within DC.
I swear on a stack of Bibles or in any court of law that while I was at DC, certain segments of editorial believed that "Black books didn't sell." Then the finger would be pointed at books like Batman: Orpheus Rising, starring an African-American character. There was a feeling like if you had one "Black Book," you filled your quota for the entire line. A pitch for another "Black Book"would be unofficially rejected because we "already had one." In a larger sense, there was a tendency to blame these sorts of factors for a book's demise rather than poor marketing or other circumstances. Bad Girls was a "Girl Book" -- girl books don't sell. Batman: Orpheus Rising was a "Black Book" -- Black books didn't sell.
Well, did you make an effort to target the right audience, to reach outside the box with your marketing and PR, or did you let the book die on arrival because you never had faith in it from day one?
(you know, complain to me that I'm being "negative" here all you want -- I don't care, this really happened, and it is damn relevant)
On the other side of the coin, around 2003 (I believe) we received a memo from Time Warner corporate that noted the lack of diversity in our comic books. This document was real, it did exist. Shortly after that, the current reboot of Firestorm was developed. We made up our new roster for JLA very carefully, actually counting the number of males and females, and noting their ethnicity.
This mentality never works. You can't get to the point where you go "yay!" when a character like Faith (remember her?) is put on the team, because she is both a woman and Latino and you've "killed" two birds with one stone.
So my concern with the demise of a book like Blue Beetle is that internally, it will be perceived as failing because it was a "Hispanic Book." You can have one idiot -- and I'll bet you $100 (no, make that $500) this has already been said within editorial -- that will comment on the cancellations of Atom, Firestorm, and Blue Beetle and say it was because the characters weren't white. When I do not see that as the case at all!
The Runaways: A diverse cast and a brand new concept
that successfully reached the teen market
It is far more a question of defining and reaching the demographic that would best embrace these books. And, in the case of Blue Beetle, this would be the teen market who embrace The Runaways. Blue Beetle was a perfect book in every way to penetrate this market. But the bigger issue is, I don't think DC is thinking outside the box anymore:
-- Dan Didio, affirming the enduring qualities of the Status Quo
“There’s a reason the characters are still enduring now. You have to identify what made each character survive through the 1940s, the 1950s, the 1960s, the 1970s…the sensibilities have changed with every decade, but these characters remain pretty much the same. So what is it in the characters that people recognize and identify with? You keep that at the core and change the world around them to make it contemporary and compelling.”
When your most exciting new development is a relaunch of Adventure Comics with Legion Of The Superheroes, it's clear what direction the company is taking. Nostalgia sells, I guess -- and it's probably relatively easy to produce. Just have Geoff Johns write every issue, and Alex Ross paint every cover. Bam! You're done.
I thought it was ironic that the new Batman cartoon is made in the style of 1950s DC. And in the first episode, you have Batman team up with the current Blue Beetle. Batman still has his title, because he is "enduring." But Jaime Reyes apparently isn't "enduring." Was he given enough of a chance?
Yet more proof that creatively, DC is now totally bereft of anything related to originality.
ReplyDeleteIt's painfully obvious that the direction at DC right now is driven by "suits" who govern by market segment and demographics instead of CREATORS driven to simply make good stories. It's even more obvious that until that changes, DC will continue to have their ass handed to them in print and the box office by Marvel, who know that it's quality product that brings in the demographic, not the other way around.
When we did Pilot Season: Genius at Top Cow, we were told that the perceived wisdom was that "black books" don't sell and "girl books" don't sell either. So, what did we have? A book starring a black girl. In the hood.
ReplyDeleteAnd you know what? We won Pilot Season. The audience is there for the taking. Reminds me of an exchange from The American President:
"They want leadership. They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand."
"We've had presidents who were beloved, who couldn't find a coherent sentence with two hands and a flashlight. People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.
I was with you till you busted on Geoff Johns.
ReplyDelete"I was with you till you busted on Geoff Johns."
ReplyDeleteIt's not a diss on Geoff. Geoff is a fine writer. But how many books can the man write? He's not Jaime Madrox.
You have to develop a solid stable of more than one or two writers. You need multiple viewpoints.
What happens if Geoff leaves? There's going to be a huge hole there.
To a certain extent I'll agree with you, he's being spread pretty thin right now, so much so that JSA is starting to show a bit of a decrease in quality.
ReplyDeleteI mean...how many issues can you follow around Gog.
Hey, I LOVE JSA! Heh. Bashin' Johns! How dare YOU!? Just kiddin'. I think Ross' covers epic, but getta little much if over used. Like you said, I am a nostalgia junky. But, I am really open for a different type of book. I honestly, other than Flash, Ghost Rider, & JSA, do not get well known books. And, for all intents and purposes, people might be able to name Ghost Rider because of the flick, and recognize Flash, but that's it. JSA: "Is that..um..the Super Friends?" (I do get Hulk, forgot. It was because Planet/WWHulk, plus, Jeph Loeb. I still like 'em. What is with Loeb bashing lately?)
ReplyDeleteWhat I'm gonna say doesn't count as nostalgia, nor does it come off as pessimism. More a rough indifference.
It is pretty self-evident that people enjoy what they're familiar with. Whether it be the vet or the noob who jumped because the movie was awesome to them. People will wiki or google or whatever, and will have this pre-set knowledge of the character's/team's mythos. So, any title/character that/who isn't of the days of old, or, of course, doesn't have a film-franchise, will bust in sales with these customers. Comic companies, especially Marvel (who is comin' off pretty greedy) are seeing a flux of customers that weren't there and they have so many titles burstin' outta the shelves at my LCS. People like Geoff Johns is great for fans and noobs, as he is a library. His continuity correction and remembrance is what grabs people. Cuz, no matter what anyone says (Morrison!), continuity is the life-blood of an established mythos.
Like, apparently Luke & Leigh were taken as soon as Padme gave birth in Revenge, but in Return Leigh says she remembers her mother. Ugh. Although, the power of The Force and the Skywalker bloodline can conclude that although an infant, her young mind was adept, and absorbed the knowledge/concept of the moment. And, me wanting so desperately for it to be true go, "I can see that." Heh.
Sorry, strayed. Funny though. I will say, DC has always come off as kinda white-bread(bred). Other than team-books, you don't see solo books. Which, to me, you just have to establish a character. I don't see too many prominent writers other than white-guys either though. Maybe writers believe there's a writing barrier? If they aren't white-male, then it is hard to relate to and write. Or, they feel afraid to write to deeply, of fear of being offensive? I could see that. Its silly, but I could see that. All I can say is we're pretty much all the same. Even men & women. That whole Mars & Venus thing is a buncha crap. Identity, yes, there won't be a copy. Mentalities, nope, we're pretty much the same, IMO. Educated opinion, I will add.
Well, I see at least two threads of thought mixing it up in here, all of which are too big for my little brain to handle right now because I feel like it ties in with your earlier post about new characters being created and with DC and Warner's steps at making more movie/TV/game properties to sell to the public.
ReplyDeleteAfter all, how could you sell a Wally West Flash property without first explaining all about Barry Allen? Do you then take Wally's name and plop him into Barry's origin? (After all, you've gotta start off every franchise with an origin story and two or more Flashes might be two too many for film execs to deal with.) Then you'd have to change the comics to reflect the movie storyline which would cause all sorts of continuity headaches.
It's not about creator-driven storylines. These characters are corporate properties now. As such, they have to have some sort of brand identity for easy identification. It's tough to sell Supergirl by explaining that she was once called "Matrix" and then there was something involving an angel and some other stuff in there, when she was originally known as "Superman's Cousin". All the new stuff messed with the brand identity. It had to go.
Matrix should have been her own character and not slapped with the Supergirl brand name. Then if Matrix didn't take off, she would be set aside to be used later. The same argument could be used for the new Atom and Firestorm, or even the new Blue Beetle. It's just ironic now that Blue Beetle will now be known for his TV appearances but there's no book presence to satisfy readers.
Didio seems to offer all kinds of excuses, rather than answers. Having botched Final Crisis to the point that it will likely end late enough to fuck up the scripts of Blackest Night, I don't doubt Marvel will have more "over 50% of the market" months in the future...
ReplyDeleteDC is such a freaking mess right now.
ReplyDeleteIt was established in the Star Wars expanded universe by Timothy Zahn LONG before Revenge of the Sith ever entered George's grey matter that Force Sensitive children can be aware of their mother in the weomb, and she of them, especially if the last name is Skywalker...
ReplyDeletePerhaps the fact that Leia shares that girl/girl bond with her mother explains why she remembers Padme and not Luke.
I guess, we, as comic book readers, are getting old. I'm overjoyed over the Legion future in Adventure Comics, but I guess you have to be over 30 or 40 to really appreciate that. Younger readers aren't quite excited, though.
ReplyDeleteJust wanted to say that
ReplyDelete1. Faith was fucking awesome
2. JLA when Faith was on it was fucking awesome
3. To whatever extent you had something to do with Faith, you're fucking awesome
4. Faith was fucking awesome