tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post6585105010910852439..comments2024-01-14T11:45:23.991-05:00Comments on Occasional Superheroine: It Makes Total Sense About The Wonder Woman Movie NowUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-37723651673015029392007-10-09T17:31:00.000-04:002007-10-09T17:31:00.000-04:00I'm hoping this story moves from the internet to r...I'm hoping this story moves from the internet to regular TV news.(If it has been on the news I haven't seen it yet.)Watching this Robinov guy squirm during a press conference would be extremely amusing.GeneralBobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03522455529064204727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-6854147405682630242007-10-08T14:40:00.000-04:002007-10-08T14:40:00.000-04:00You're right, Valerie. This "logic" doesn't work. ...You're right, Valerie. This "logic" doesn't work. At all. Not for me.Dwight Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14389833479219422837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-49509813443923815812007-10-08T13:35:00.000-04:002007-10-08T13:35:00.000-04:00OK. Some notes:1. Linda Hamilton's "Sarah Connor" ...OK. Some notes:<BR/><BR/>1. Linda Hamilton's "Sarah Connor" has always been a 'supporting character' in the Terminator movies. The first movie, she was second to Kyle Reese and The Terminator (and the movie itself was more of a horror movie than a sci-fi/action thriller). In 'Judgment Day', she was second to T101, T1000 and John Connor (especially since she was no longer the primary target).<BR/><BR/>2. Ripley's role in "Alien" was actually originally written for a male star - and apparently it would have been Tom Skerritt.<BR/><BR/>3. The biggest problem for female action leads is much larger than studio execs making bad comments. Bad writing, bad casting, bad directing, and bad marketing all play a role. <A HREF="http://powerincomics.ning.com/profiles/blog/list?user=HeavyArmor" REL="nofollow">I Use This Blog</A> to chronicle some of the attempts and try to examine why success has been fleeting. (I apologize for the shameless plug - and I need to examine some more movies).Heavy Armorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12753726301435923033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-22219747957998667892007-10-08T13:00:00.000-04:002007-10-08T13:00:00.000-04:00Oh, if only we could magically blend the comic boo...Oh, if only we could magically blend the comic book and real world universes...that way, we could have Wonder Woman and Supergirl punch out Jeff Robinov mercilessly while a giant Rita Farr from the Doom Patrol is grasping him tightly around his torso some 100 feet in the air. <BR/><BR/>Hollywood execs come up with some asinine comments, but this one proves that all the studios care about these days are adolescent males. The rest of us are irrelevant.VP81955https://www.blogger.com/profile/11792390726196611188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-58904374350048365912007-10-08T12:54:00.000-04:002007-10-08T12:54:00.000-04:00Milla with Guns = Chills down Spine.God, I love he...Milla with Guns = Chills down Spine.<BR/><BR/>God, I love her.BradyDalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252479014150097407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-19811542104838595372007-10-08T10:14:00.000-04:002007-10-08T10:14:00.000-04:00I'm gonna get flamed to holy Hell for this, but oh...I'm gonna get flamed to holy Hell for this, but oh well.... <BR/><BR/>He's right. Films with women in the lead don't make much money. Sure, the occasional female lead will open #1, like The Brave One, but for every one of those, probably 10 more bomb. To the person who said he's prefer to see Jessica Biel as a Navy SEAL, you practically had your chance. It was called Stealth. The movie bombed. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, who's fault is it that movies with women in the lead bomb? Is it the fault of untalented filmmakers who can't properly imagine strong female leads? Well, if it is, then the problem is virtually no one in Hollywood is capable of making successful female lead movies, so it makes no sense to continue to waste money making them. <BR/><BR/>Look, I love Hillary Swank and Kate Winslet as much as everyone else, but movies with them as leads bomb. I'm not saying I'm happy with it, but I can certainly understand the reasoning. <BR/><BR/>And Mordecai, I went to law school. There's nothing about this policy in violation of any law. WB can stop making movies with female leads.kennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06649763676628428647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-63149816474981469252007-10-08T10:08:00.000-04:002007-10-08T10:08:00.000-04:00Katherine Bigelow has done one movie in the past 1...Katherine Bigelow has done one movie in the past 10 years that I've heard of, K-19: The Widowmaker, which bombed spectacularly. And Strange Days didn't do any better. Hollywod is ruled by the almighty dollar. She won't be handed a big budget action movie anytime soon.<BR/><BR/>James Cameron is the exception rather than the rule. The article mentions this caveat at the end. <BR/><BR/>This may be off-topic but I've never considered the first Alien movie an action movie. It's always been a horror film for me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09469867615697637802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-5324493591465975002007-10-08T05:56:00.000-04:002007-10-08T05:56:00.000-04:00"This isn't because a woman can't carry an action ...<I>"This isn't because a woman can't carry an action movie, but a acknowledgment of the deeply shitty reality that there isn't a single filmmaker or producer in town who knows how to develop an femme-led action movie that plays to the male quadrant (television is a completely different ballgame)."</I><BR/><BR/>Wow, they're really deep in bullshit, since I can name two of my favourite film-makers who are more than capable of doing that.<BR/><BR/>1. Katherine Bigelow: <BR/><BR/>I'm thinking about stuff like <I>Strange Days</I>, where Ralph Fiennes's character is the lead, but it's his co-star Angela Bassett who truly kicks ass and takes names. That's a movie that shows how a strong woman sometimes needs to pull an inadequate guy up by the bootstraps - and the guy rises to the challenge. <BR/><BR/>2. James Cameron.<BR/><BR/>People have forgotten about Linda Hamilton's performance in <I>Terminator 2</I> already? Or his direction of Sigourney Weaver in <I>Aliens</I>? And I'm sure Ridley Scott, director of <I>Alien</I>, would be surprised to learn that nobody is making female-starred action movies that appeal to men. I guess everyone who has ever loved that series must be female...Angeline B. Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09193387146888000794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-30994518905370010032007-10-07T20:39:00.000-04:002007-10-07T20:39:00.000-04:00Yeah, I read that CHUD article. It isn't about wom...Yeah, I read that CHUD article. It isn't about women leads, but women action leads. A shame, since "Resident Evil: Extinction" was one of the only action movies I saw this summer, and certainly the best of that lot. Sure, it's got plot holes you couldn't fly over, but it's also got a super-heroine that crosses Jean Grey with Wolverine, but more badass. I'm still embarassed to admit that, flaws and all, "Resident Evil" is one of my favorite movies, but there I go...Diabolu Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-7439071068680237102007-10-07T15:15:00.000-04:002007-10-07T15:15:00.000-04:00This article on chud.com suggests that Robinov's r...<A HREF="http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=news&id=12059" REL="nofollow"> This article on chud.com</A> suggests that Robinov's reasoning may be a bit more complicated than people realize.<BR/><BR/>Money quotes:<BR/><BR/>"On a purely business level, though, if Robinov's declaration is more along the lines of "We are no longer doing action movies with women in the lead"... I'm afraid he's entirely justified. This isn't because a woman can't carry an action movie, but a acknowledgment of the deeply shitty reality that there isn't a single filmmaker or producer in town who knows how to develop an femme-led action movie that plays to the male quadrant (television is a completely different ballgame)."<BR/><BR/>"And it's a failure of imagination, really. In a way, I'd much rather see Jessica Biel as a former Navy SEAL assigned to track down terrorists threatening to blow up the Anheuser-Busch brewery. But no studio would ever greenlight Biel in a role developed for, say, Mark Wahlberg because they'd first call up the respectable grosses Underworld, Kill Bill and the Resident Evil movies, and, then, contrast those numbers with the not-so-good returns for Elektra, Aeon Flux, Domino, Catwoman, Ultraviolet, Point of No Return and, for the hell of it, V.I. Warshawski. And then they'd conclude that the risk is too high for the modest-at-best reward."<BR/><BR/>"The exceptions to this are Lara Croft: Tomb Raider and Charlie's Angels, but those films had killer pedigrees."<BR/><BR/>It's a lengthy article and there's more at the link.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09469867615697637802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-50998082863716427572007-10-07T11:42:00.000-04:002007-10-07T11:42:00.000-04:00Now I myself have been pretty sick of movies with ...Now I myself have been pretty sick of movies with paper-thin models made to look like they can somehow kick ass, but holy shit! Off with his head I say. DC has awesome female superheroes that I want to see in movies. What a dick.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03785578592890453795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-72757039057468331122007-10-07T11:34:00.000-04:002007-10-07T11:34:00.000-04:00Wow, that's a stunning admission.It's shocking tha...Wow, that's a stunning admission.<BR/><BR/>It's shocking that the percieved wisdom is still that boys won't watch strong female leads and girls won't watch fantasy... now where did my girlfriend put my Buffy boxed set.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03136332613720691479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-82326144017935005942007-10-07T10:45:00.000-04:002007-10-07T10:45:00.000-04:00So, wait. I'm no expert on anti-discrimination la...So, wait. I'm no expert on anti-discrimination laws, but it would seem to me that he could get sued? Or huh. I'm sorting it out in my head, because it is a pretty berserk statement to hear. I guess nobody can FORCE the WB into making any particular movie. So maybe he can get away with just being a giant doofus. Honestly, it is hard to take a statement like this seriously; on so many different levels. How could he say such a thing outloud? I mean, think it, sure, but get quoted? Fuck. Like-- he can't be serious, can he? Ugh. I'm not making any sense. My basic response to reading this (this being the first time I've read it) is just a big <B>WTF</B>. The lucky thing is that bad ideas like this boycott themselves.mordicaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05713766652793265867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-75754064526793574062007-10-07T09:26:00.000-04:002007-10-07T09:26:00.000-04:00Wow..That is just...beyond retarded. I can believ...Wow..<BR/><BR/>That is just...<I>beyond</I> retarded. I can believe a moron holding beliefs like that, I can't believe that he would feel justified in basing company policies on it...jesus, what is this, 1940??<BR/><BR/>In other news, I have been reading your blog for quite a while! I have come close to registering a few times just to be able to leave comments such as this, this was just the first stupidity which was big enough to make me actually <I>do</I> it. Love ya work! :DRazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05828502057767750358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-70718530788138082042007-10-07T09:25:00.000-04:002007-10-07T09:25:00.000-04:00What kind of excuse or explanation have they given...What kind of excuse or explanation have they given for this? Do they point to recent movies with female leads that have failed? I've always thought that Hollywood in general works with grossly broad demographic assumptions; like, "women like this, men like that, blacks like X, whites like Y, the coasts like blah, the flyovers like whatever," etc. They've never had a very sophisticated idea of their audience, IMO.GiantKillerMantishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00010669538271851802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-90118585963294299202007-10-07T08:53:00.000-04:002007-10-07T08:53:00.000-04:00Sounds like mom issues to me.Sounds like mom issues to me.Brigonoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05284882511370405132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-23579646096053696492007-10-07T06:48:00.000-04:002007-10-07T06:48:00.000-04:00I have met Jeff Robinov. I have no trouble believ...I have met Jeff Robinov. I have no trouble believing this story. He is a cruel, stupid man who would blame anyone but himself for the failure of his product.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03938278225323340847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-85395126618048065902007-10-07T01:24:00.000-04:002007-10-07T01:24:00.000-04:00I wrote a bit about this on my blog, too. Real mor...I wrote a bit about this <A HREF="http://robstaeger.blogspot.com/2007/10/wtf-wb.html" REL="nofollow">on my blog, too.</A> Real moronic, myopic stuff. Sooner or later this policy will lose some real money for WB, and when it does, Robinov will hopefully be out on his ass. <BR/><BR/>Not surprising, really. Hollywood as a rule is risk-averse, so if someone is stupid enough to think the problem with these movies' performance lays with the fact the the lead has a vajingle (rather than, say, the TONS of bad pre-publicity that Invasion got), they're gonna stay away from women. And then some female-centered movie is going to clean up, and the WB'll be left holding the bag.<BR/><BR/>Literally, I guess.Rob S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07331286524477806963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-12008877219763087252007-10-06T23:27:00.000-04:002007-10-06T23:27:00.000-04:00I wrote this in my blog earlier tonight, and it be...I wrote this in my blog earlier tonight, and it bears repeating here:<BR/><I>You know what I hope? I hope Jodie Foster wins the Oscar for her performance in The Brave One (she certainly desrves at least a nomination). And I hope she goes up on stage and refuses to accept the Academy Award because Warner doesn't believe their movies should have female leads.<BR/><BR/>That would be cool.</I>snellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06181997862745538999noreply@blogger.com