tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post565017608939139..comments2024-01-14T11:45:23.991-05:00Comments on Occasional Superheroine: Hillary: The TerminatorUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-91177483329525019532008-06-03T23:36:00.000-04:002008-06-03T23:36:00.000-04:00It looks like the primaries are finally over, but ...It looks like the primaries are finally over, but Hillary Clinton hasn't withdrawn from the race yet, while Obama says he's the winner! Whom would you like to see as his running mate? Should it be Hillary herself? People Power Granny asks you to read my my post about this tonight and vote in my poll regarding if Hillary should be his running mate.People Power Grannyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02288535770690615711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-56351572099349120112008-06-03T10:13:00.000-04:002008-06-03T10:13:00.000-04:00You just wrote this entry to skew your google sear...You just wrote this entry to skew your google search results for the people looking for Hilary and Death Star, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-88332586963470404772008-06-02T20:24:00.000-04:002008-06-02T20:24:00.000-04:00Even as a non-Dem I have to say I was pretty offen...Even as a non-Dem I have to say I was pretty offended by the Rules committee decision. They completely caved to the Clintonistas. As a New Yorker I've seen the kind of campaigns that she runs and its fairly disgusting.<BR/><BR/>Also, sorry to burst your bubble about Brazile. She was the campaign manager on Gore's failed campaign. Please ignore all the Florida nonsense...he lost his home state, Tennessee, and a number of other states he would have won if he had fought there instead of Florida where Bush had the a statistical advantage. She is a smart lady and I enjoy reading her comments, but as a campaign manager she dropped the ball.<BR/><BR/>As a Conservative if you had told me 18 months ago that a Republican would have a chance of winning I would have asked if you were on drugs. This whole mess is of Hillary's making. Per the comment about Reagan, he is one of the few examples of "taking it to the convention" that didn't cost the party the election. The GOP only lucked out on that score because of the Dems implosion in Chicago (helped along by the RFK assassination).<BR/><BR/>The whole rational against "taking it to the convention" is that you end up splitting the party. Hillary managed to go from the prohibitive favorite (think Big Brown at the Belmont this weekend) to losing the race. No matter who gets the nom at this point she has either poisoned FL an MI against Obama or poisoned Obama supporters against herself.<BR/><BR/>I guess the GOP owes Hillary a big parade for giving them a shot at the election. I just wish they had picked a better candidate.<BR/><BR/>Sorry if I went to political OS.<BR/><BR/>P.S. Why don't you where a cape in your public appearances?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06701509061574986178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-34141563025599430432008-06-02T18:00:00.000-04:002008-06-02T18:00:00.000-04:00Oh, I think both of them are delusional. I think ...Oh, I think both of them are delusional. I think you HAVE to be to run for prez.<BR/><BR/>But Hillary has always been smug, superior and grating with a sense of entitlement. This ain't news. Well, it IS news just because every story needs a villain and a hero, and the media has picked Hillary as the Luthor of this tale.Hysanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03085593008609914782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-9967224820296505922008-06-02T11:26:00.000-04:002008-06-02T11:26:00.000-04:00p.s. If republican man-god Ronald Reagan taught us...p.s. If republican man-god Ronald Reagan taught us anything it is that rules are for suckers. (I think Reagan took his first failed pres run all the way to the convention btw. Reagan pushes the issue and he's a saint. Hillary pushes the issue and she's a (insert anti-feminist chiche' here).Shanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246982584049706133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-49901548545471064752008-06-02T10:45:00.000-04:002008-06-02T10:45:00.000-04:00I disagree with you just a little. I think part of...I disagree with you just a little. I think part of why she is hanging on is that she thinks she is the Dem's only shot to beat McCain. The primaries are almost proof of that. The primaries with their delgates and cacuses are almost nothing like the electoral college. If you look at it state by state and compare the numbers to how it would work in the electoral college, Clinton crushes Obama. If you look at it that way, she is the best shot. Obama failed to win one big electoral vote state. I think an Obama/Clinton ticket would crush McCain but I'm not real confident about Obama pulling off an electoral college win.<BR/><BR/>The primaries are the dog and pony circus you vist on the way to clown college. This makes three elections in a row that the dems have proven they have no idea how to run a national election. Of course Karl Rove was really good at it and we saw how that turned out.<BR/><BR/>I blame Florida and Michigan on Howard Dean. It's not the voters job to make it work. The voters had nothing to do with breaking the rules. He should have nipped this in the bud at the start. This is bad news for the Dems in the general election as far as their changes in either of these states goes.Shanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246982584049706133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-42661666399028862008-06-01T23:57:00.000-04:002008-06-01T23:57:00.000-04:00You really did put together a creative post here, ...You really did put together a creative post here, and I think you hit on all the "faces" of Hillary. For the most part, I've been irritated with people insisting Hillary should step down to give the way to Obama. I've thought that is absurd. She does owe it to her supporters... people who have invested not only a great deal of money, but even more importantly, many hours/days/weeks into her campaign... to keep going.<BR/><BR/>I would also come to Hillary's defense on the "race issue." As the past week or two has proven, some of Obama's more radical supporters are doing a fine job, all on their own, of making race an issue. One can only stare in jaw-dropped awe at their antics and wonder how they <B>ever</B> think such remarks will do Obama any favors in the general election (or in gaining the Democratic nomination).<BR/><BR/>Sadly, Hillary's demeanor of late doesn't convey to me that she is refusing to surrender because she owes it to her supporters. Her refusal smacks of pride, and that's unfortunate.<BR/><BR/>The Democratic Party typically portrays itself as the party that is all about equal rights, blind to people's sex and skin color. This election year has only proven that Democrats are no better than Republicans in this regard. I find that both sad and reassuring.<BR/><BR/>I'm tired of hearing the talk of it being past time for the first Black / Woman / Hispanic / Asian / Homosexual / Android / Whatever to be president. I just want the best <I>person</I> for the job. Is that really too much to ask for? Based on the elections I've witnessed within my lifetime... apparently so.<BR/><BR/>Val, thanks for a great post. You really fleshed out some important issues in an entertaining way.Bill, the Wildcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16137557955170758994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-42579739677540480532008-06-01T23:20:00.000-04:002008-06-01T23:20:00.000-04:00there's a point where determination to get what yo...there's a point where determination to get what you want at all costs crosses over into megalomania, and i think hillary hit it somewhere back in indiana.rob!https://www.blogger.com/profile/17556471244882205031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-68272664616115331402008-06-01T20:25:00.000-04:002008-06-01T20:25:00.000-04:00I may be the one person following this who wasn't ...I may be the one person following this who wasn't at all pissed off or perturbed when she mentioned Bobby Kennedy last week. I still don't understand what the furor was about, given the context and point she was making. Keith Olbermann lost some serious credibility with me with his angry tirade against her over it.<BR/><BR/>I really respect and admire Hillary's intellect and her ambitions.<BR/><BR/>But... I can't support her campaign because I know the Republican party will never work with her. She and Bill are too hated within those circles. Given the state of things in the U.S., I foresee a Hillary presidency as one of the most bitterly contested... they would stop at nothing to bring her down, to try and make her the failure George Bush is.<BR/><BR/>And I feel she's earned that enmity by having a certain shrill, brittle quality about her. There's a self-righteousness about her that seems to express itself in an ugly way. When she feels she's right, she doesn't seem to feel she needs to be polite or tolerant of other points of view. Very offputting. And then there's Bill's legacy as a successful, well-liked president that the Republicans and the far right tried to destroy but couldn't.<BR/><BR/>And they're STILL fighting that battle. Believe me, they'd love to have Hillary so wage war against.<BR/><BR/>Speaking of... her support of the Iraq war and her rubber-stamping of Bush's policies in those days... when no one in either house was asking the questions we all should've been asking... makes me seriously cynical about her opposition to it now. It just seems so calculated. And when she attempts to make jokes like, "Whenever I see something about it, I want to kick my television!" or whatever she said a few months ago, I cringe. I honestly cringe.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you should've thought of that when you VOTED FOR THE WAR, that's what someone needs to say to her.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, like a lot of people, I end up with mixed feelings about her candidacy and I second a lot of what you wrote here. But she's right- other primaries have gone contested into June so she has every right to keep pushing. If nothing else, at least some of the positives of her message will get installed in the party platform.<BR/><BR/>Great post!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723952510039418615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-37896013598921578042008-06-01T20:12:00.000-04:002008-06-01T20:12:00.000-04:00Actually Gore kinda did.While he was adamant about...Actually Gore kinda did.<BR/><BR/>While he was adamant about certain districts being recounted due to hanging chads and all that, apparently he was only interested in getting recounts for strong Democrat districts, not ALL of them, as George W Bush maintained should have been the case.<BR/><BR/>As I recall, some newspaper decided to recount all the districts after the election, and Dubya tripled his lead in Florida. An interesting note...<BR/><BR/>With regards to Billary v2.0, it's clear this is all about power and creating a better legacy for the Clinton name than a cigar, blue dress, and an intern. And like Al Gore, she just can't admit that she doesn't have it.<BR/><BR/>It's been pretty clear for months which way the momentum is really running, and with Obama a hair away from clinching, and Billary far behind this far along in the game, she should call it a day and let the party move on to countering it's real foe, McCain.Jeff Kraschinskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14192556168965360723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-60550176439438602282008-06-01T19:12:00.000-04:002008-06-01T19:12:00.000-04:00If Gore had hung on with this level of dogged dete...If Gore had hung on with this level of dogged determination through various procedural maneuvers in 2000, our recent history might have been very different.<BR/><BR/>If Clinton feels she has to do this, I'm not going to say she shouldn't.Tvinihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12711879010703467663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-67051052272882491802008-06-01T16:00:00.000-04:002008-06-01T16:00:00.000-04:00I live in Nashua, NH. I worked on Bill Clinton's i...I live in Nashua, NH. I worked on Bill Clinton's initial presidential campaign before I was old enough to vote. Hillary walked the same streets I walk, and overall, I felt very strongly about the Clinton's message and campaign. When the whole Lewinsky thing went down, however, my feelings changed. But, that's a whole other story.<BR/><BR/>Hillary's political ambitions leading up to her current campaign have been obvious in my eyes ever since she won her senate seat in 2000. <BR/><BR/>What has been especially frustrating, is the feeling I had that the more the current administration fucked things up in the last eight years, the happier Hillary was. <BR/><BR/>When Bush took us to war in Iraq, she supported it. Where was Hillary when Katrina went down? When W was congratulating 'Browny' on the "heckuva job" he was doing, I pictured Hillary watching the news, mischeviously rubbing her hands together egging the Republicans on. She knew full well the worse things got for the country, the easier the campaign would go for her in '08. <BR/><BR/>Regardless of these thoughts, I was betting on her to win the Democratic nomination, and as a registered, independent voter who tends to swing left, was prepared to support her. <BR/><BR/>During this year's NH primary debates, the biggest problem for me became likeability. It was even mentioned in one debate in which the moderator asked Clinton how she felt about Obama being considered by the press much more 'likeable' than herself. Hillary nodded, concurred with the moderator and complimented him. Barack modestly returned the compliment, and the debate continued.<BR/><BR/>I don't want to believe that my negative feelings regarding Hillary are because she's a woman, and as I think about it, I'm pretty sure, since both candidates are similar in policy, at least for myself, it's just comes down to likeability. Obama's got it, and Hillary don't.Yednahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06375366707103352197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-78404210822103365592008-06-01T15:56:00.000-04:002008-06-01T15:56:00.000-04:00This is most definitely a great post.This is most definitely a great post.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09714266421105137865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-84058744067367657262008-06-01T12:42:00.000-04:002008-06-01T12:42:00.000-04:00The Mich/Florida thing makes me annoyed. I mean--...The Mich/Florida thing makes me annoyed. I mean-- they knew what the consequences would be if they moved the dates. & voila, consequences! & the candidates knew the situation-- they agreed to it, right? Noooo, not now.....NOW we all want to...<BR/><BR/>Wait a minute-- I don't vote Dem or Elephant. Forget 'em.mordicaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05713766652793265867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-48437162805157920562008-06-01T12:40:00.000-04:002008-06-01T12:40:00.000-04:00Donna Brazile has become one of my favorite people...Donna Brazile has become one of my favorite people ever. I'm afraid she's way too smart to ever run for office herself, but I think she'd be great at pretty much anything.<BR/><BR/>I now want a bunch of "Donna Brazile has a posse" stickers.chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03023802756353551241noreply@blogger.com