tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post2843741118007091668..comments2024-01-14T11:45:23.991-05:00Comments on Occasional Superheroine: Playboy Wonder Woman Tiffany Fallon's Scarlet LetterUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-54182968977478947072010-09-30T02:23:29.872-04:002010-09-30T02:23:29.872-04:00Its really very good and interesting information. ...Its really very good and interesting information. Every year a number of events are held at the Playboy Mansion. Inevitably, A-list celebrities make appearances. And who could forget about the Playboy bunnies, the highlight of the Playboy Mansion. People always enjoy in this type of party.<br /><br />====================<br /><b><a href="http://www.ticketstothemansion.com/eventPages/kandyHalloween2010.php" rel="nofollow">Kandy Halloween 2010</a></b>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11072724342764581525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-86968145575858411462008-01-28T00:15:00.000-05:002008-01-28T00:15:00.000-05:00As has already been pointed out, I don't see how P...As has already been pointed out, I don't see how Playboy could POSSIBLY do more harm to Wonder Woman's image than DC Comics itself has. <A HREF="http://www.bondagerotica.com/articles/wonderwoman/wonderwoman11.html" REL="nofollow">I give you this cover from Wonder Woman Comics to make my point.</A>Pat Powershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17546848088853626735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-34861211094397455982008-01-15T15:06:00.000-05:002008-01-15T15:06:00.000-05:00I got no problem with the idea of Tiffany Fallon p...I got no problem with the idea of Tiffany Fallon playing Wonder Woman in a movie, or even posing in Wonder Woman body paint in Playboy.<BR/><BR/>My problem is with Playboy taking *the* feminist icon and reducing her to no more than T&A - I'd be a lot less pissed if she looked remotely powerful - and that DC / TimeWarner is effectively pimping out their most iconic superheroine.Raehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17482001891904616938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-58420043969745555192008-01-15T10:10:00.000-05:002008-01-15T10:10:00.000-05:00I remember it being mentioned that after Charisma ...I remember it being mentioned that after Charisma Carpenter (Cordelia from Buffy and Angel)posed naked for playboy that she had lost out on her chances of being Wonder Woman, something that seemed fairly likely when Joss Whedon was writing the script.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10063580772263657879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-8345673494314972712008-01-14T23:18:00.000-05:002008-01-14T23:18:00.000-05:00Now that I go back and more carefully read Fallon'...Now that I go back and more carefully read Fallon's excerpted comment, I realize that this was the event to which she was referring. But I just liked Mark Evanier's take on the whole thing circa a couple of years ago, and wanted to pass it along.Brian Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07305624852257701050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-9863965694537212512008-01-14T23:16:00.000-05:002008-01-14T23:16:00.000-05:00I'm not sure if it'll help or hurt or even add any...I'm not sure if it'll help or hurt or even add anything meaningful to the discussion, but a couple of years ago, Mark Evanier linked to a Playboy Mansion Halloween party photo of Tiffany Fallon as Wonder Woman. As far as I can tell, the photo is safe for work, but I'm still linking to <A HREF="http://www.newsfromme.com/archives/2005_10_31.html#010534" REL="nofollow">Evanier's link</A> first as a precaution.<BR/><BR/>(she's just been doing this for a while now, is what I'm saying)Brian Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07305624852257701050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-25933076875636678902008-01-14T23:08:00.000-05:002008-01-14T23:08:00.000-05:00I'm too tired to comment but I feel similarly as y...<3<BR/><BR/>I'm too tired to comment but I feel similarly as you :DAmi Angelwingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07263018434610100226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-6896181662209226312008-01-14T22:29:00.000-05:002008-01-14T22:29:00.000-05:00I recently commented on your previous post regardi...I recently commented on your previous post regarding the possible affect of posing/performing nude has on being cast in a comic book role.<BR/><BR/>I personally don't care if the actress showed some skin or not, but some audiences do. My nerd buddies really do. <BR/><BR/>I can see why some people are so pissed/offened/bitchy over this crap: they don't want to see their favorite fictional characters be brought to life by "tainted" actress who took off their clothes because some guys told them too. It's stupid, yes, but it sadly makes some sense.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00560098822169411847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-90169019185272366652008-01-14T21:32:00.000-05:002008-01-14T21:32:00.000-05:00"But I will say that within some feminist argument..."But I will say that within some feminist arguments against porn there IS some sort of vestigial Judeo-Christian judgement call in play."<BR/><BR/>I'd guess there's a lot more than we realize.<BR/><BR/>This is a very difficult conversation to have in our society because of our sexual hangups; expression of sexual libertarianism from men or women inevitably lead to some variations of "pervert" and "bimbo." Look at the discussions on this blog about Marston. It's a visceral reaction, stemming from childhood and our collective upbringing. Sex is dirty.<BR/><BR/>Would it be nice if someday people could be completely open and unashamed about their sexuality? Sure. But we're all a long way away from that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09800584669511292820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-2152932845099161312008-01-14T21:25:00.000-05:002008-01-14T21:25:00.000-05:00Here's a twist....I'm a Muslim man and I think Ms....Here's a twist....<BR/><BR/>I'm a Muslim man and I think Ms. Fallon looks hot and I'm all for magazines publishing pictures of naked women in sexy poses. If someone says, "Hey, let's cast her as Wonder Woman," I'm all for that, too. Why? Cuz she's hot and I like looking at hot girls. (I only mentioned the Muslim thing to remove any sort of Jeudo-Christian context to what I'm saying.)kennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06649763676628428647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-22379338265311522852008-01-14T20:17:00.000-05:002008-01-14T20:17:00.000-05:00PDuggie: While I commend your particular interpret...PDuggie: While I commend your particular interpretation of Christianity on embracing sexuality as a healthy part of a persons psyche in the context of a loving relationship, I would hazard to say that the majority of Christian sects (and certainly Catholicism, which is the only strain I have had any direct dealings with) are far less... <I>understanding</I> than you appear to be.<BR/><BR/>Certainly, the strain of Christianity that appears to have a stranglehold on the Christian discourse in America (i.e, the television pundits and preachers, the President, etc) appear to hold that women's sexuality and women's essential nature are sinful. Full of sin.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, my biases are showing. I just wanted to point out that there're lots of different christianities, and some are more accepting of women than others.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16786612774046724453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-65510072984090594052008-01-14T20:05:00.000-05:002008-01-14T20:05:00.000-05:00'You missed a question:"She used to actually wear ...'You missed a question:<BR/><BR/>"She used to actually wear underwear?"'<BR/><BR/>Wait to disprove that Scarlet Letter theory there. Has anyone bothered to try to find out what exactly SHE thinks of this whole hubbub?Ethan Hoddeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07981055111825368918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-70646705616558415682008-01-14T18:23:00.000-05:002008-01-14T18:23:00.000-05:00You missed a question:"She used to actually wear u...You missed a question:<BR/><BR/>"She used to actually wear underwear?"Elaynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15009119466346396986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-84611742060137140722008-01-14T18:15:00.000-05:002008-01-14T18:15:00.000-05:00The League of Kevins controls the internet, after ...The League of Kevins controls the internet, after all. Didn't you get the memo about today's takeover of blogger?Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02079618006919880590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-47511182887853668612008-01-14T18:08:00.000-05:002008-01-14T18:08:00.000-05:00how did this thread get hijacked by a group of kev...how did this thread get hijacked by a group of kevin/kevens so quickly?kevin n.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07994270180787499885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-19303609182361483962008-01-14T18:04:00.000-05:002008-01-14T18:04:00.000-05:00I seriously doubt that the majority of readers and...I seriously doubt that the majority of readers and non readers would have any problem with someone who posed for Playboy being Wonder Woman in some movie that will probably never get made. I'd think a bigger concern is that this gal Tiffany isn't an actress. <BR/><BR/>Lets face it many Oscar award winning actresses have been topless either on screen or in print. Did people wig out at Halle Berry playing storm because she was topless in that horrible swordfish movie? <BR/><BR/>Thinking that Playboy is something that is going to hold tiffany Fallon back, when all she really is known for is being in playboy, seems like pressed logic at best.kevin n.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07994270180787499885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-61112711044758316612008-01-14T17:48:00.000-05:002008-01-14T17:48:00.000-05:00DC Comics has done far more damage to the characte...DC Comics has done far more damage to the character of Wonder Woman on their own than Tiffany Fallon ever could.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02079618006919880590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-66403455809472810292008-01-14T16:57:00.000-05:002008-01-14T16:57:00.000-05:00i don't know that i agree with those caveats, pdug...i don't know that i agree with those caveats, pduggie.mordicaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05713766652793265867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-77564727597699090872008-01-14T16:43:00.000-05:002008-01-14T16:43:00.000-05:00Actually, Bobbi Jo and the Outlaw was filmed AFTER...Actually, Bobbi Jo and the Outlaw was filmed AFTER the ABC Wonder Woman pilot, and before the rest of the ABC Wonder Woman episodes.Kevennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02486285572947350715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-26842065248241256862008-01-14T16:25:00.000-05:002008-01-14T16:25:00.000-05:00I'd rewrite this thusly: "How much of it comes fro...I'd rewrite this thusly: "How much of it comes from a Judeo-Christian "<B>[public]</B> nudity is sinful" perspective? If as women we operate from the "<B>[extramarital/public]</B> sexuality is bad" perspective, <B>[or better, the 'notoriety based on nothing *other* than sexuality is bad' perspective]</B> are we unwittingly buying in to a mentality where the "sinful nudity" parts are intertwined with "women are essentially sinful" parts?"<BR/><BR/>Wonder Woman is a public figure as a superhero. Close scrutiny of the sexuality of a public figure lessens the nobility of the public figure. <BR/><BR/>"Is it the fact that she strips down for men that is the issue?"<BR/><BR/>Probably.<BR/><BR/>While I'll grant the "woman is essentially sinful" thing is highlighted in various places in the Christian tradition, particularly during periods where monastic forms of Christianity held sway, I'm loathe to claim that Christian views of sexual morality and modesty have a necessary link to views of women as "sinful". I was raised to and continue to hold to Christian standards of modesty as my (imperfectly held) standard, but it was always clear and made clear to me that <BR/><BR/>1) marital love and martial eroticity were proper, moral and God-intended<BR/><BR/>2) temptations to sin flowed from the heart of the individual who lusts, not from external forces (though girls were always encourages to not be "stumbling blocks" to men via overt displays; But men had their ways of causing stumbling too)<BR/><BR/>3) "In Adam's fall we sinned all", and Eve was misLED, not misleading.pdughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09832284495239324375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-43101299765750416382008-01-14T16:02:00.000-05:002008-01-14T16:02:00.000-05:00Oh, and by the way, Lynda Carter had a brief nude ...Oh, and by the way, Lynda Carter had a brief nude scene in "Bobbie Joe & the Outlaw" (1975) before she became Wonder WomanMenshevikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07112873248418375924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-30143181152279558922008-01-14T15:59:00.000-05:002008-01-14T15:59:00.000-05:00I'm unaware of any feminist in the past decade who...I'm unaware of any feminist in the past decade who has claimed that women who pose nude are "bad." Some may decry a culture in which such careers are the ones that pay women the most money, or that support so many such magazines, but those are sociological debates, not aspersions on anyone's character.Martha Thomaseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10503172214829000476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-7211381640473234552008-01-14T15:47:00.000-05:002008-01-14T15:47:00.000-05:00Being a mans, I s'pose my comments may be tainted ...Being a mans, I s'pose my comments may be tainted with wangness, but I feel this hubbub is kind of crazy.<BR/><BR/>1. Playboy is an adult themed magazine so the arguments that Ms. Fallon is besmirching an icon in front of children is possibly one of the weakest I've heard.<BR/><BR/>2. Regarding you 3rd and 4th points, I do think it's a little hypocritical for comic publishers to complain. There is so much nipplage in comics, they might as well be running around nekked.<BR/><BR/>3. And this is my stance on porn and erotica in general. If'n you want to make a living with your body, woman or man, you have that right. And more power to you! If you want to sex it up with body paint, rock rock on. I'm certainly in no position to pass judgment.<BR/><BR/>MJ statuette? Yeah, Marvel fucked up that one. Completely exploitive and tasteless. Nude body paint WW in Playboy? Hell, at least she's wearing something. We're talking Playboy here, not something distributed to widely comic stores and marketed towards kids.Jamie Noguchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17046530534255264994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-79707704959815687102008-01-14T15:17:00.000-05:002008-01-14T15:17:00.000-05:00FYI, I'm pretty sure the woman who was cast as WW ...FYI, I'm pretty sure the woman who was cast as WW in the on/off current JLA movie posed nude in the past. Or at least topless. I'm at work, so I'm not gonna check.Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00362797654696006031noreply@blogger.com