tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post2541026575737325059..comments2024-01-14T11:45:23.991-05:00Comments on Occasional Superheroine: Spoiler Warning, Don't Read The NY Daily News Either Or The URL To This PostUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-78420970169728122812008-05-02T11:12:00.000-04:002008-05-02T11:12:00.000-04:00I think Morrison's quote is fine. It doesn't mean...I think Morrison's quote is fine. It doesn't mean nothing matters... it means that people enjoy the fantastical elements of comics, among them the ability of characters not to stay dead. Hal Jordan didn't stay dead, and people seem happy with that decision. Green Arrow didn't stay dead, and that worked out. If it's well written and enjoyable, then I'll like it, and if it sucks, it sucks. Give it a freakin chance before we all jump on Morrison's case for acknowledging the obvious. Don't let angst about the suckiness of Countdown and other DC crossover business predispose us to bashing good creators over innocuous commentary and getting up in arms because *gasp* a superhero came back to life.BIG MIKEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01365147999145372102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-25852473198264753352008-05-01T16:07:00.000-04:002008-05-01T16:07:00.000-04:00Hmmm... couple of things here:1 - Has anyone taken...Hmmm... couple of things here:<BR/><BR/>1 - Has anyone taken into account the possibility that Morrision's quote might have taken out of context? Happens a decent amount in newpapers you know, especially when the writer is not very knowledgebale about the subject he/she is covering.<BR/><BR/>2 - I'm amazed at the amount of people who have a problem with the national exposure of this, yet seemed to have no problem with Marvel doing to TWICE (with the Spider-Man unmasking and the death of Cap) or having problem with the human hype machine (Joey Q) mugging on the Colbert Report fot it. Double Standards anyone?<BR/><BR/>3 - I'll reserve my thoughts on the situation until it plays out... however, I've come to pretty much trust Geoff Johns when it comes to telling a story and as far as I can tell he is heavily involved with the plotting of this. That bods well for it.Patrick J. Nestor, Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04476021827283026540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-52088009492622175082008-05-01T10:25:00.000-04:002008-05-01T10:25:00.000-04:00I guess I'm in the minority around here. At 45, I...I guess I'm in the minority around here. At 45, I was around for the end of the Silver Age and Barry Allen. I read the original CRISIS when it came out with a sense of shock and outrage. Barry Allen was a very important character to me because of the qualities he exhibited.<BR/><BR/>For years I've been wanting DC to bring him back. But now that DC finally seems on the brink of doing so, I'm afraid of what will happen to Barry. Can he survive the modern DCU and still be himself?<BR/><BR/>I wrote about this in a column at Sequart.com and I hope people might swing over there to take a look. It's a really frightening feeling to finally get the thing you've wanted for so long only to be terribly afraid about what will happen to it.<BR/><BR/>http://www.sequart.org/columns/?column=2144Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00721816076270321813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-37016194293279637132008-05-01T07:11:00.000-04:002008-05-01T07:11:00.000-04:00See, this is where DC is loosing me on a lot of fr...See, this is where DC is loosing me on a lot of fronts right now. I started reading comics in 1991, and DC comics in 1998. All I know about Barry Allen is that he died during Crisis. That's all I know about him. I have no sentimental attachment or fond sense of nostalgia for him. <BR/><BR/>I'm sure there's an old school DC fanbase who is thrilled about this, and more power to them. But since about four years ago I've gone from buying 16 DC titles, to buying none. I think DC has been catering to a specific fanbase, and I'm just not one of them. Everything I loved about the DCU when I first started reading is gone. And that's fine. I'm still read a lot of vertigo, I've still got my marvel books, I've still got my many indies... but I'd think that I was exactly the "new reader" that DC would hope to attract.Josh Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758295720466754777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-74951443595327065172008-04-30T23:59:00.000-04:002008-04-30T23:59:00.000-04:00Valerie, I received some heat for "spoiling" this ...Valerie, I received some heat for "spoiling" this big surprise as well. I went into this thinking as you did: DC had emailed me the news story. The Daily News, and later the AP and New York Times, told everyone, without a spoiler, what the big deal was. And, the comic came out today. <BR/><BR/>http://www.comiclist.com/index.php/news/daily-news-announces-return-of<BR/><BR/>But, I will think twice next time this happens. Most likely it the spoilers and teases will just create more attention to the next big "secret."Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08992000724481947938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-69227310632673111802008-04-30T19:47:00.000-04:002008-04-30T19:47:00.000-04:00Crisis occured when I was ten or eleven, so I can'...<I>Crisis</I> occured when I was ten or eleven, so I can't really recall feeling any emotional impact when Barry died. It took <I>The Life Story of the Flash</I> by Mark Waid for me to really feel anything for Barry's death, and what came out of that was largely a sense of respect. The second Flash gave his life to save his wife and the universe entire. You don't get much more heroic than that.<BR/><BR/> I'm willing to give Morrison the benefit of the doubt; he seems a savvy enough cat not to just bring Barry back as a cheap stunt. True, the act will generate buzz and controversy, but I think it might also work as a thematic bookend. The Flash who died to save the universe in the Crisis now returning to aid the DC heroes against the 'Final' Crisis.<BR/><BR/> They get my $.50 anyway. ;p<BR/> <BR/> StacyStacyHDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03182215174658982848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-18922259930843086512008-04-30T19:01:00.000-04:002008-04-30T19:01:00.000-04:00I don't read newspapers. I avoided this news here ...I don't read newspapers. <BR/><BR/>I avoided this news here and the Beat as warnings were given, and then it was spoiled with no warning on PopCandy. Dang you Whitney Matheson!<BR/><BR/>It's cool though.Michael C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02179301800361938280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-57364019256655799072008-04-30T18:56:00.000-04:002008-04-30T18:56:00.000-04:00"I am kind of disappointed that he would say such ..."I am kind of disappointed that he would say such a thing. It sounds like such a cop-out, and not worthy of him."<BR/><BR/>Well, it's consistent with his work, certainly, going back to ANIMAL MAN at least. The reason why Buddy and his family got a happy end was because they could - according to Morrison, there's enough death and destruction in life, why not try to do better in fiction? And, in the case of Animal Man, he brought the idea full circle again in 52.<BR/><BR/>I think it's unfair to paint it as a cop-out, at least as far as Morrison is concerned. He genuinely seems to believe it, and it's been present in his work for decades.Marc-Oliver Frischhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16768142108640303473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-15940924960368287542008-04-30T18:51:00.000-04:002008-04-30T18:51:00.000-04:00"That's the point of comics - they don't have to d...<I>"That's the point of comics - they don't have to die, because they're fictional creations."</I><BR/><BR/>"Comics." Too much of a blanket statement. Depends on the comics in question. Crappy comics? Yes. As much as I enjoy Grant Morrison's work, he probably should rethink that idea. All mainstream comics should rethink that philosophy.<BR/><BR/>One reason I can't enjoy mainstream stuff anymore is there's no sense of jeopardy at all. They can boost sales briefly by some stunt death, but it's followed by a stunt resurrection that totally obliviates or moots any dramatic impact of the initial story. And as comics fans, we accept it with a shrug, pretending to buy the concept whenever a character kicks off but then making little wry comments.<BR/><BR/>It's hollow and self-defeating and- most damning now- a cliche. Cliches for the most part should be eliminated from writing. Cliches, tropes and stereotypes are generally the enemies of effective writing. Rarely they can be friends, but I'm pretty sure Grant Morrison knows all this.<BR/><BR/>It's just amusing to me to see a major weakness in the mainstream superhero genre being so nakedly proclaimed... as a strength, no less!<BR/><BR/>Well, thanks, Grant. My turning away from corporate product is re-affirmed!<BR/><BR/>Also my snobbery. Thank you very much!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723952510039418615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-50534548046509887922008-04-30T18:46:00.000-04:002008-04-30T18:46:00.000-04:00I don't worry too much about surprises being spoil...I don't worry too much about surprises being spoiled anymore. Like you said, the Big Two are bringing everyone back!hiikeebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04546094181276790786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-994490391895255262008-04-30T17:14:00.000-04:002008-04-30T17:14:00.000-04:00William Gatevackes - Wolfman's 'out' for Barry All...William Gatevackes - Wolfman's 'out' for Barry Allen was to have him plucked from the timestream during his 'final run', so he'd always know that at some point he'd have to head back into it and run to his death.<BR/><BR/>It would have revitalised the character and given him an edge that he sorely lacked otherwise.<BR/><BR/>Its a similar ploy to how Captain Marvel seemed to be brought back during Civil War, even though that now has been proven to be something else entirely.<BR/><BR/>That said, this could still be what's happening here, or it could be Barry's final visit to Wally, or something else entirely.Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06435582231180905967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-48774234685689784002008-04-30T16:58:00.000-04:002008-04-30T16:58:00.000-04:00i dont think uncle ben or the waynes will ever wor...i dont think uncle ben or the waynes will ever work like other characters do.<BR/><BR/>uncle ben and the waynes were never core characters, they were sacrificial origin characters.<BR/><BR/>they never led their own titles nor are they even heroes.<BR/><BR/>their deaths are what make them interesting characters, so bringing them back wouldnt really be sensible.sammy.the.khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06244600298489890263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-17079985787370067692008-04-30T16:54:00.000-04:002008-04-30T16:54:00.000-04:00Well, I'm off to plunk my two quarters on the stor...Well, I'm off to plunk my two quarters on the store counter and figure out how well it all worked.<BR/><BR/>Will let you all know!Vergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10083468076834391732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-5072610476541118872008-04-30T15:48:00.000-04:002008-04-30T15:48:00.000-04:00Nah. It's just comics. If you are going to have ma...Nah. It's just comics. If you are going to have magic ghosts, robots with laser guns, aliens with psychic powers and a dude with a white dwarf in his belt buckle- I don't see why one should be upset when a character comes back from the grave. <BR/><BR/>Bring back Captain America for an issue. Then kill him in the next. As long as it's fun to read I do not cry over fictional characters dying and coming back from the fictional grave.Juanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17901870362434819225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-86492103058764420282008-04-30T15:47:00.000-04:002008-04-30T15:47:00.000-04:00My mom heard about this on the radio (which I assu...My mom heard about this on the radio (which I assume was NPR). She remembers watching the 1990 tv show and asked me when did Barry die. I told her just before I was born.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00560098822169411847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-9636560951130398642008-04-30T15:46:00.000-04:002008-04-30T15:46:00.000-04:00You all realize he's coming back as the bad guy wh...You all realize he's coming back as the bad guy who'll be redeemed and become one of the New New Gods, right?Not Dicklesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574915928737646952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-66987049575111753892008-04-30T15:30:00.000-04:002008-04-30T15:30:00.000-04:00"Man, DC sure does love to repeat themselves, don'..."Man, DC sure does love to repeat themselves, don't they?"<BR/><BR/>well, the Multiverse solved that problem back in the 70's/80's... Today is yucky.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00560098822169411847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-89222501818532874892008-04-30T14:02:00.000-04:002008-04-30T14:02:00.000-04:00Since DC sees fit to reverse one major death from ...Since DC sees fit to reverse one major death from the CRISIS, why not go that little extra mile and bring back Supergirl--the pre-CRISIS Kara Zor-El.<BR/><BR/>She may have been a little bland but on her worst day, she was a far cry better than that the Super Tramp wearing the "S" sheild these days.FanBoyWonderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10207564200529982309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-39510147982521087292008-04-30T13:57:00.000-04:002008-04-30T13:57:00.000-04:00So, that means we'll have 3 Flashes running around...So, that means we'll have 3 Flashes running around now. Like we have 3 Supermen running around now, and technically 3 Robins running around now. Man, DC sure does love to repeat themselves, don't they?WOLVERINEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11330916393850341529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-29170832661317017582008-04-30T13:49:00.000-04:002008-04-30T13:49:00.000-04:00If it makes you feel any better, Val, you didn't s...If it makes you feel any better, Val, you didn't spoil this for me. My MSN homepage spoiled it when I logged in this morning. <BR/><BR/>As for Barry Allen returning, I am okay with it. Marv Wolfman said he deliberately wrote his death in Crisis in such a way that there was an out that he could be brought back. If the writer who killed him wants him to be able to be brought back, who am I to complain?<BR/><BR/>Of course, there was a plot point in Johns run on Flash that said Barry would come back to help Wally during three crisises in Wally's life. There has been two, this could simply be the third. And then he'll go away again. <BR/><BR/>As to why DC and Marvel bring these characters back? The same reason they kill them off--because they think contorversy equals excitement. And if people are complaining about it, it's the same as them talking about it. <BR/><BR/>I mean, death and rebirth can be moving, powerful and exciting if handled well. And if it is done well I usually have no problem with it (The return of Bucky/death of Cap for instance won me over due to the quality of the story).<BR/><BR/>However, when done haphazardly, it is annoying as heck. It's cheap and insulting. A stunt with no weight to it.<BR/><BR/>Which way will the return of Barry go? I guess we have to wait and see. <BR/><BR/>Oh, and it would make more sense for Uncle Ben to come back. He is less involved in Spider-Man's origin than the Waynes are in Batman's. So, by that logic, the Waynes will come back first.William Gatevackeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06448031585797310734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-44377522221505748752008-04-30T13:17:00.000-04:002008-04-30T13:17:00.000-04:00I remember back when (we're talking 20+ years ago)...I remember back when (we're talking 20+ years ago) there were rumors of Jean Grey coming back, and it was special.<BR/><BR/>Now it's like if I see Jean Grey die, it's understood she's coming back within a certain time. So the emotional impact is lessened because I'm making this assumption (based on experience)<BR/><BR/>That said, I'm curious to see who gets brought back first: Uncle Ben or the Waynes. Any takers?Vergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10083468076834391732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-28331852942479923592008-04-30T13:16:00.000-04:002008-04-30T13:16:00.000-04:00"Danbizzle - the Return of Barry Allen didn't actu..."Danbizzle - the Return of Barry Allen didn't actually bring Barry back; it was Zoom, IIRC."<BR/><BR/>True, but the story was about Wally finally taking his mentor's place as THE Flash.DanBizzlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14766459881371907657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-53863903144137785672008-04-30T13:09:00.000-04:002008-04-30T13:09:00.000-04:00Spoilers -- (as if that matters)Having read DC Uni...Spoilers -- (as if that matters)<BR/><BR/>Having read DC Universe 0, Barry does not actually appear on panel, but it becomes clear by the end of the issue that he is the narrator.<BR/><BR/>In reading the hype about bringing Barry back, I realized that Barry Allen was the Flash for 29 years, from 1956 to 1985. It has now been 23 years since he "died," so he has been dead almost as long as he had been alive. That just seems weird to me. Wally has been the Flash almost as long as Barry had been. I'm not sure that another change in the status quo is necessarily a bad thing.<BR/><BR/>I'm looking forward to what Morrison and Johns have in store for us.Capper7https://www.blogger.com/profile/05649027042587308912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-70918914012233655272008-04-30T13:01:00.000-04:002008-04-30T13:01:00.000-04:00Man, when I was a kid, I read Starlin's Warlock se...Man, when I was a kid, I read Starlin's Warlock series and when...<BR/><BR/>SPOILER ALERT!<BR/><BR/>...Adam Warlock died (he sort of killed himself) - it really rocked my world.<BR/><BR/>Peter David has said similar things about when he first heard about the death of...<BR/><BR/>SPOILER ALERT!<BR/><BR/>...Gwen Stacy.<BR/><BR/>It's sad, that such stories couldn't really be told today with the same impact they had before, because now, you know everybody comes back from the dead. :PJim Shelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05006833955333061262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-3173789350278535702008-04-30T12:42:00.000-04:002008-04-30T12:42:00.000-04:00Maybe this Barry Allen is a Skrull.Maybe this Barry Allen is a Skrull.!https://www.blogger.com/profile/15867424848245032627noreply@blogger.com