tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post1523972069035454106..comments2024-01-14T11:45:23.991-05:00Comments on Occasional Superheroine: Some X-Men To "Come Out Of Closet?"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-85458591153392414342008-09-21T11:11:00.000-04:002008-09-21T11:11:00.000-04:00The sad thing is he COULD have Bobby. Bobby is a c...The sad thing is he COULD have Bobby. Bobby is a character that seems to be closeted, either bisexual or gay. His father was a very WASPish person who hated his Japanese girlfriend for being Japanese. It would make sense for Bobby to stay closeted. When he was friends with Northstar he was getting undressed when he left the room because "He didn't want anyone getting hot and heavy", and later on asked him out for dinner, and later on pretended not to know he was gay. Northstar there thinks Bobby isn't attracted to men. Ummm, JP, the <I>exact same thing</I> happened to you. Bobby was being emotionally manipulated by an empath into liking her.<BR/><BR/>ITMAKESENSE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-65036833469348478202008-08-09T17:12:00.000-04:002008-08-09T17:12:00.000-04:00I've always assumed that Shatterstar was straight,...I've always assumed that Shatterstar was straight, but just a weird outsider with weird mannerisms. Richter's already made it pretty plain that he swings both ways, and I think Shatterstar was just the obvious target of his mancrushes.<BR/><BR/>Also, as far as I understand, at least some aspect of Madrox is the gay, from what his duplicates have to say on the matter. Though that's very questionable and debatable.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01241465415872911241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-15400220020305733592008-08-09T12:20:00.000-04:002008-08-09T12:20:00.000-04:00That's Northstar? From the look of him, I thought...That's Northstar? From the look of him, I thought you'd posted some panels from DNAgents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-5788478362098201182008-08-08T17:55:00.000-04:002008-08-08T17:55:00.000-04:00BradydaleSadly, there were a lot of people who use...Bradydale<BR/><BR/>Sadly, there were a lot of people who used to (and may still) view my interracial marriage in the same light.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00369556451855248495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-28919829513031937342008-08-08T14:14:00.000-04:002008-08-08T14:14:00.000-04:00@PaulRe: Shatterstar as gay.does it make me a reac...@Paul<BR/><BR/>Re: Shatterstar as gay.<BR/><BR/>does it make me a reactionary conservative in that I object to characters from other planets having sexual relationships with characters from this planet. I mean, Lois and Clark is a cross-SPECIES love affair. <BR/><BR/>Does that ick anyone else out?<BR/><BR/>(for the non-initiated, Shatterstar is another species too, A) he is from the Mojoverse, B) he was created by Rob Liefeld)BradyDalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252479014150097407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-52857961488155692492008-08-08T14:12:00.000-04:002008-08-08T14:12:00.000-04:00@Ericha ha... I always sort of forget Wolvie is a ...@Eric<BR/><BR/>ha ha... I always sort of forget Wolvie is a Canuck. I mean, I know it, I just don't think of him that way.BradyDalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252479014150097407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-1210177473756630782008-08-08T12:53:00.000-04:002008-08-08T12:53:00.000-04:00I thought Rictor IS bisexual. I remember hearing s...I thought Rictor IS bisexual. I remember hearing something about his sexuality was handled better than the coming out of Northstar. Shatterstar is iffy though. <BR/><BR/>I'm kind of offended when someone accuses a majority of Catholics to be close minded and narrow. A vast majority of those in disagreements with the LGBT community are Christian fundamentalists, not just Catholics. I think it would be more impressive if Marvel were to include more of those with an Arabic descent. Heck someone that's homosexual AND Muslim would make a great story.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16746785932133035947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-39975948550195320102008-08-08T10:59:00.000-04:002008-08-08T10:59:00.000-04:00paul-you may have been offended, but a LOT of Cath...paul-<BR/><BR/>you may have been offended, but a LOT of Catholics ARE that narrow. so it was pretty representative and interesting to see a character who wasn't all "im down with the gays" and how they handled that situation and showed him grow out of his ignorance.sammy.the.khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06244600298489890263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-60899038313671833092008-08-08T10:49:00.000-04:002008-08-08T10:49:00.000-04:00I don't think Wolvie's likely to be a homophobe.He...I don't think Wolvie's likely to be a homophobe.<BR/><BR/>He's Canadian, and we're all basically gay.Ric Ranthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08659581882540691723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-71843886086585440352008-08-08T09:06:00.000-04:002008-08-08T09:06:00.000-04:00There are a few established mutant characters that...There are a few established mutant characters that are gay/bi or rumored to be so.<BR/><BR/>Confirmed:<BR/>Northstar<BR/>Karma<BR/>Anole<BR/><BR/>Stongly Speculated:<BR/>Rictor<BR/>Shatterstar<BR/><BR/>Speculated - But I Don't See It:<BR/>Iceman<BR/>Mirage<BR/>Beast<BR/><BR/>As far as anyone coming out of the closet, I wouldn't be surprised it someone comes out of group three above. I just hope they don't make Nightcrawler all anti-gay like his Ultimate counterpart. As a huge fan of the character and a liberal (recovering) Catholic, I was offended by that narrow portrayal.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00369556451855248495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-69914458613983864262008-08-07T21:23:00.000-04:002008-08-07T21:23:00.000-04:00Oops... I'm sorry! That was YOUR reasoning. I ge...Oops... I'm sorry! That was YOUR reasoning. I get a D- in reading comprehension today.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723952510039418615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-61148891474238033712008-08-07T20:05:00.000-04:002008-08-07T20:05:00.000-04:00They already have established Anole as gay.The Bea...They already have established Anole as gay.<BR/><BR/>The Beast has been referenced as gay, and referred to non-mutants as "straights" as far back as the early 1990s.<BR/><BR/>They are more likely to use some of the surviving Young X-Men (et al) characters than older ones because (a) they have less continuity to fight against and (b) it is increasingly okay and comfortable for teens to come out vs. adults. This would also help them provide identification characters for teen readers, to help capture and keep that market.<BR/><BR/>Making Armor into a baby dyke would be interesting, because it would give them a chance to bounce off whatever long-held ideas that Wolverine might have. (Which is most likely going to be "You gonna hit on me, bub? You gonna try and just hit me? Then we got no beef. You do your job, I'll do mine, and we'll go drinking. If some guy hits on me, I'll send him your way.")Jim Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00987446462436563788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-71262771691162554262008-08-07T20:02:00.000-04:002008-08-07T20:02:00.000-04:00I could see it being Beast, he comes off as effete...I could see it being Beast, he comes off as <I>effete</I> depending on who is doing the writing.<BR/><BR/>Wolvie usually runs conservative and could be anti-gay. Living as long as he has he may have known man-love<BR/><BR/>Like anything if its a logic part of the story I vote yes, if its a stunut I vote no!MadHatterGaminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11449516070063503882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-7524357021052373622008-08-07T18:37:00.000-04:002008-08-07T18:37:00.000-04:00ps, brentcorner:there are gay characters in mainst...ps, brentcorner:<BR/><BR/>there are gay characters in mainstream Marvel already.<BR/><BR/>see runaways, young avengers, northstar (mike carey brought him back), new/young x-men (anole), etc etcsammy.the.khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06244600298489890263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-89640266117493715572008-08-07T18:35:00.000-04:002008-08-07T18:35:00.000-04:00im all for it. its about time my peeps get some re...im all for it. its about time my peeps get some representation WITHOUT dying horribly<BR/><BR/>ie: Northstar, Freedom Ringsammy.the.khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06244600298489890263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-18330353076676677532008-08-07T18:30:00.000-04:002008-08-07T18:30:00.000-04:00I like Alonso's quotes on this. But then he edite...I like Alonso's quotes on this. But then he edited my second favorite X-title of all time, <I>X-Force/X-Statix</I>.<BR/><BR/>But yeah, I don't want to read a tortured "am I gay or am I not?" self-loathing storyline. Too retrograde and demeaning. It also reinforces negative stereotypes. <BR/><BR/>And I don't want to read something about Northstar- a former pro-skier and longtime superhero who should be confident and comfortable with his identity and should have little or no trouble going for anyone he wants- pining for someone he can't have.<BR/><BR/>Of course it's dramatic fiction so they can't have everyone being happy all the time. External and internal conflict and all that. They just need to avoid the cliches to make me happy.<BR/><BR/>I also agree with Alonso's reasoning. Given the size of the casts of all those books it's practically a given there should be some gay or bi or trans characters. But hopefully not as tokens or one-note iterations. <BR/><BR/>They should go for this. I've always viewed the X-books as a metaphor for a number of different things, even as far back as the Claremont days. In some cases the parallels could be overt and amplify and reinforce the subtext.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723952510039418615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-1054283763076424992008-08-07T16:45:00.000-04:002008-08-07T16:45:00.000-04:00knowing themthey will introduce new gay x memberso...knowing them<BR/>they will introduce new gay x members<BR/>or just minor characters came out of the closet and in about 3 years they will long gone and forgotten.<BR/>its not cool having just having gay characters for just the sake of having gay characters.algeyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12979345864674820689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-90861660735505972162008-08-07T16:13:00.000-04:002008-08-07T16:13:00.000-04:00@aaron -- God, I loved the Smart Hulk days. Smart ...@aaron -- God, I loved the Smart Hulk days. Smart Hulk hanging out with the cast of The Iliad, no less. <BR/><BR/>That was awesome. Sigh... I was 14.BradyDalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252479014150097407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-29686100225526216772008-08-07T16:11:00.000-04:002008-08-07T16:11:00.000-04:00Poll: Is Wolvie a homophobe?I vote yes. The great ...Poll: Is Wolvie a homophobe?<BR/><BR/>I vote yes. The great irony of liberalism is that it doesn't always carry through every aspect of life. You can be totally down with gays and have a hard time with race, for example.<BR/><BR/>I say Wolvie has issues with gayness.BradyDalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252479014150097407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-25396306598986721042008-08-07T15:53:00.000-04:002008-08-07T15:53:00.000-04:00I'm not a fan of outing for the sake of it. But if...I'm not a fan of outing for the sake of it. But if it comes naturally sure. My bet, like Dan, is Beast. For some reason that makes sense to me.<BR/><BR/>The Iceman one doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to me.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16746785932133035947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-44243202356119343312008-08-07T14:05:00.000-04:002008-08-07T14:05:00.000-04:00Come to think of it, a Baubier reunion wouldn't be...Come to think of it, a Baubier reunion wouldn't be a bad idea, would it? Unless Aurora's dead or something.Arturohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09225034948614887038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-6120128622726160452008-08-07T13:56:00.000-04:002008-08-07T13:56:00.000-04:00I'd love to see an actual relationship for Northst...I'd love to see an actual relationship for Northstar, but in the end it doesn't really matter because they'll just kill him again.Archon Divinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10963780230730547035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-77979556036762562802008-08-07T13:40:00.000-04:002008-08-07T13:40:00.000-04:00Tom: Hector was an openly gay member of The Panth...Tom: Hector was an openly gay member of The Pantheon, a collection of semi-immortals who The Hulk hung out with, and for a time led, while he was smart during Peter David's long run on the series.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11210395595999061619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-56659900497985599072008-08-07T13:33:00.000-04:002008-08-07T13:33:00.000-04:00God Loves/Man Kills played heavily on one aspect o...God Loves/Man Kills played heavily on one aspect of the gay allegory, back in eighty-aught-something.<BR/><BR/>When it comes to Northstar, I think someone might play up the reformed terrorist angle some day, in addition to his orientation, but I won't hold my breath.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-86326470124703060562008-08-07T13:28:00.000-04:002008-08-07T13:28:00.000-04:00The Cyke/Emma thing is far from implied in Ellis' ...The Cyke/Emma thing is far from implied in Ellis' first issue; it's practically stated outright, in large part, I suspect, because of the continuing effort to reposition Cyke as the "alpha" among the X-Men.Arturohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09225034948614887038noreply@blogger.com