tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post7537672216941989091..comments2024-01-14T11:45:23.991-05:00Comments on Occasional Superheroine: Stop Bashing Older "Fanboys"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-78301455132831886522008-11-25T21:32:00.000-05:002008-11-25T21:32:00.000-05:00Those 30-40 year olds are the bread and butter of ...Those 30-40 year olds are the bread and butter of the industry!SadnessHurtshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12921612651277840338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-21638618911990951982008-11-18T17:31:00.000-05:002008-11-18T17:31:00.000-05:00I have read the entire piece. Dorkin was not bashi...I have read the entire piece. Dorkin was not bashing "older fanboys" as a whole, and to say so is a distortion.<BR/><BR/>He is bashing what are more commonly known as Cat Piss Men (google it), so named for the smell around them- okay, maybe he's mocking a subset thereof, but I know who he's talking about and it's not just an age thing.Evan Watershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17263250766060234515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-30968549390011874752008-11-18T14:19:00.000-05:002008-11-18T14:19:00.000-05:00Torsten, according to Dorkin, he'd like to see thi...Torsten, according to Dorkin, he'd like to see this demographic "die out like the dinosaurs." <BR/><BR/>Indeed, how can I be the head of an organization that is supposed to be all-inclusive and have to listen over and over again in silence to the opinions from supposedly "inclusive" people that they would like to see a whole segment of the readership disappear?<BR/><BR/>I hate sexism, but I hate elitism too. <BR/><BR/>How can I get angry regarding a woman suffering verbal harassment at a con, but not get angry when I see some fan minding his own business being mocked by smug people who think they are sooooo much better than him? <BR/><BR/>"Look at that geek, with the Green Lantern shirt and the gut. What a nerd! Lookit he's got a whole suitcase of comics to get signed. I wonder if he's ever gotten laid in his entire life! Snicker!"<BR/><BR/>I've heard countless variations of that over the years. That's not offensive to say about someone you don't even know? <BR/><BR/>Friends of Lulu has to reach out to *all* segments of the fandom, including the "fanboys." We did so at this convention, and I am happy with the way things turned out.Vergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10083468076834391732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-57606815312891425392008-11-18T12:57:00.000-05:002008-11-18T12:57:00.000-05:00Ah, Valerie, as a fellow (is that gender neutral?)...Ah, Valerie, as a fellow (is that gender neutral?) member of Friends of Lulu, I'm a bit surprised at your last comment. <BR/><BR/>"If you're so damn ashamed about the people who keep this industry alive and ticking, stop bitching and go find another hobby."<BR/><BR/>First of all, Friends of Lulu was created to change perceptions in the Comic Book Industry, both among professionals and fans, and to make comics more inviting and hospitable to those who might feel marginalized. <BR/><BR/>Second, if we don't like the behavior of fans, does that mean we should stop attending conventions where they might be? Or do we become activists for change, such as your post of August 21, where you suggest that the San Diego Comic Con needs to institute a harassment policy? <BR/><BR/>I can tolerate a lot of boorish behavior (nine years of retail will do that). I don't condone it, and if it's over the top, I'll engage the person with respect.<BR/><BR/>I wonder what "Jeff Albertson" has to say about all this?Torsten Adairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01003810809542196460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-12223388129469576652008-11-18T12:36:00.000-05:002008-11-18T12:36:00.000-05:00Some of Evan's contempt definitely comes from his ...Some of Evan's contempt definitely comes from his own insecurity. And I think he is aware of this on some level. <BR/><BR/>I have this old Milk and cheese shirt and at the top of the mayhem are a single vignette of each and has them saying (and I might be paraphrasing because I do not have the shirt in front of me) "If you're so goddam hip.. why are you reading comic books?" which I believe was not only meant to refer to the wearer, but also to Evan himself.JMYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12016847165500501360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-86490112560379787462008-11-18T11:36:00.000-05:002008-11-18T11:36:00.000-05:00I know plenty of people in the demographic Dorkin ...I know plenty of people in the demographic Dorkin was referring to who someone like Dorkin would probably look down upon and say nasty shit about. Defend it all you want, it's a scumbag, cowardly thing to do.<BR/><BR/>Dorkin and those who smugly defend his point of view have become the equivalent of the jocks in high-school who put down the "nerds." The ironic thing? How much less "nerdy" are they? I think these attacks extend from insecurity about one's hobby, one's image, and one's industry.<BR/><BR/>Yes, Big Apple Con donated a table to Friends of Lulu. Yes, the people who donated to Friends of Lulu were mostly of the demographic targeted by Dorkin. As a whole, I was treated with tremendous respect by both. If both were the slobbering troglodytes described by Dorkin, I doubt they would have done this for our organization.<BR/><BR/>To sum up, take the plank out of your own eye before deigning to point out the splinter in the eyes of others. Don't worry about fanboy body odor -- go clean your own ass and mind your own damn business. Who appointed you "style director" for the comic book collecting community? If you're so damn ashamed about the people who keep this industry alive and ticking, stop bitching and go find another hobby. Go take up wine-tasting, or something.Vergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10083468076834391732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-20502598011382349422008-11-18T11:34:00.000-05:002008-11-18T11:34:00.000-05:00Dorkin is the very bitter man behind some tediousl...Dorkin is the very bitter man behind some tediously one-note and hostile cartoons. If you've ever seen this guy in person, he looks like an anger management group session lifer. His rant should come as no surprise to anyone familiar with his work and, frankly, I think he's better suited to work a deli counter than create "humor" comics.Fireflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07457632237516288323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-59657271852760500902008-11-18T10:54:00.000-05:002008-11-18T10:54:00.000-05:00In my capacity as a forty-year old comics dealer, ...In my capacity as a forty-year old comics dealer, I'd like to step in and defend the 43-year old writer in question here and perhaps clarify his point. Plenty of older comics fans are overweight (myself included) and socially awkward (debatably including myself) without being pathetic, stunted monsters, HOWEVER, a lot of comics folks are exactly as described. Nerddom as a whole mythologizes itself as a group of magical enlightened ubermenschen who are simply tragically misunderstood by the "mundanes" (look up the whole "fans are SLANs" thing for a particularly goofy example), and comics and SF stories are loaded with hated outsiders whose despised caterpillar shells conceal beautiful butterflies within. The problem is, a lot of times, the rotting exterior only conceals a core that's infested with maggots. It can certainly be argued that external forces have curdled these pitiable wretches' souls, but nonetheless, they are what they are. And they (to an extent) could choose not to be. Dorkin's "Eltingville Gang" and Ware's "Rusty Brown" are both frequently dismissed as cruel and unfair, but both strips are sharply observant and depressingly truthful (and, it should be noted, clearly attacking the horrors that the artists can recognize in themselves, as well). I recall one review of an "Eltingville" story whose author perceived Evan as a bully from the outside world, picking on the nerds, but it's obvious that he's just painting what he sees.<BR/> Among my customers, I've got plenty of lovable nerds who are professors, insurance executives, and other professional men who can balance a love of custom Moon Knight figures with being functional humans, and I've also got an aging talk-radio aficionado who still lives with his parents, so he goes over to friends' houses to surf for internet porn, and a lawyer who'll cheerfully and LOUDLY discuss (or, rather, "declaim"-- there's no give-and-take, and refusing to make eye contact or respond doesn't slow him down) his favorite porn star and those acts she will and will not perform, despite the presence of women and children in the room, and most horribly, a deranged Stephen Root lookalike whose every appearance brings a new horror born in his complete lack of self-awareness; my favorite being when he asked if I knew any "college girls" that he might be willing to make custom bondage videos for him, in an apparent belief that this might be cheaper than buying commercial product.<BR/> This has gotten rather too long and prone to run-on sentences, but I've got to get to work now. Suffice it to say that if you're a decent person,no matter how schlubby, Evan wasn't talking to you. If you suspect that he was, maybe you should try showering and using your inside voice, and then take it from there.Devlin Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11358271733393938491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-53932748981832356802008-11-18T10:22:00.000-05:002008-11-18T10:22:00.000-05:00The minute you reacted to this as if Dorkin was pi...The minute you reacted to this as if Dorkin was picking on folks that you respect (or folks like them) you lost a reasonable perspective on this for me. You chose to take his rant as a personal offense to you yourself. Add to the fact the con organizers donated FoL a table (which is admirable) clouds your perspective for me as well. Your closing concession that you wish comics could be more for kids seems to completely ignore that part of Dorkin's stress and displeasure came from people cussing around his small child. Older fanboys are adults, Dorkin's core expectation that they act like adults is reasonable and to argue against that expectation is indeed seemingly laughable. And for the argument he's elitist? Um, OK. Don't see it. I see an angry guy who went off on an entertaining rant, which at the end of it he fully conceded he encountered several great people and appreciated some parts of the con. You were happy with the con to a certain degree because you raised a lot of money, good for you. I imagine if you had been subjected to more of what Dorkin experienced at this particular con (the unsolicited taking of his wife's photo, for example) you might understand his rant better (try looking at it from his perspective). But to challenge his personal unpleasant experience and to call him elitist? And I really hope your counter-argument to my post does not start with that he should not have taken his child to the con...QATimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14155191361322830302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-63404776534357342942008-11-18T10:12:00.000-05:002008-11-18T10:12:00.000-05:00Val, not sure where you're getting the "class" stu...Val, not sure where you're getting the "class" stuff from. Body-odour hasn't correlated with income since the middle-ages, surely?Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14740669500899738381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-14531925725758114092008-11-18T10:08:00.000-05:002008-11-18T10:08:00.000-05:00Brady - so, what, it's awful, it'll stay awful, de...Brady - so, what, it's awful, it'll stay awful, deal with it?<BR/><BR/>It seems like a lot of people are taking offense that shouldn't be. I'm baffled that anyone could read his post and conclude he "hates comic fans".<BR/><BR/>I'm sure reading it is gonna sting if you're "late 30s, early 40s" "balding" and/or "overweight", but if you don't stink, terrify children, leave without flushing, harass women, use your backpack as weapon, yell obscenities in a public setting, etc. etc. ETC. then take heart: he's not mad at you. Anyone who DOES do that stuff deserves all the bashing they get, core of the market be damned.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14740669500899738381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-24071203847460952052008-11-18T07:28:00.000-05:002008-11-18T07:28:00.000-05:00"Although I would sooner ignore these guys than wr..."Although I would sooner ignore these guys than write an angry blog post about them, I think he's not far off-base to ask that fandom be a supportive environment for respectful, socialized people who find great joy in all of this junky ephemera and can enjoy it all together a few times a year at these shows. "<BR/><BR/>Yes, he's way off base. I don't know what scene you're hanging out in, but I've done comics from Kansas to Wisconsin to NYC, DC and Philadelphia. It all looks pretty much the same. Ours is dominated by the socially challenged to outright flummoxed. That's the core. It really, really is.<BR/><BR/>It's not going to change. It is way, way too much to ask. If Evan just wants to hang out with the ones he can deal with, he's going to be going to some very, very small shows.BradyDalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252479014150097407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-7246531447203596202008-11-17T22:56:00.000-05:002008-11-17T22:56:00.000-05:00I'm not sure if Evan's post was intended to dismis...I'm not sure if Evan's post was intended to dismiss the core comics audience out-of-hand, or to be generally superior to collectors. If you read carefully you'll see he's razzing on a very specific kind of boorish, socially dysfunctional, and generally unpleasant type of fan stereotype that's unfortunately a reality. <BR/><BR/>I don't think this particular subset of the community that he's talking about makes up the "core audience" of older collectors. I would think that many older collectors are intelligent, nice, hygienic, and personable. (Take GrooveDaddy's comment as a case in point.) <BR/><BR/>I know that when I grow up I'm going to be one of the old guys looking for Spider-Man phones and Treasury Editions of "Super Friends" at shows because it's fun and I will also not be rude or annoying to anyone and I will shower beforehand. I'm sure Evan appreciates those kinds of folks -- folks who love the art and aren't also underdeveloped people.<BR/><BR/>Although I would sooner ignore these guys than write an angry blog post about them, I think he's not far off-base to ask that fandom be a supportive environment for respectful, socialized people who find great joy in all of this junky ephemera and can enjoy it all together a few times a year at these shows.Jesse Posthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01017150867868335056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-12218978501821412432008-11-17T22:06:00.000-05:002008-11-17T22:06:00.000-05:00I'm 39. I'm a big fat guy. I am balding. I'm not m...I'm 39. I'm a big fat guy. I am balding. I'm not much of a sports person. I loosely root for 'home teams', and I sort of follow football only because I am in a friend's fantasy football league. I have a lot of anxiety issues with regard to being around people and especially crowds, but I have recently started going to conventions. Even more recently I got the nerve up to actually take things to have people whose work I admire sign, and in the process get to take a minute to meet them and maybe tell them that what they do is meaningful to me, or cool or whatever. My great fear is always that everyone thinks like this guy does. I know what I am, but does my existence and that of those who may be similar to me really cause him any harm? Does he expect that everyone should give up their hobbies and interests as they age for fear of offending his sensibilities? I am pretty sure he is older than I am, and smack in the age range that holds his contempt. This is a little upsetting to me. Moreso than the nice young artists at SPX calling me sir in a polite and respectful manner.<BR/><BR/>I think this guy's specific beef in this instance may be a lot more than the stupid comments he wrote. I think they may have been fueled by whatever was going on specifically in that setting. <BR/><BR/>The good news is that this doesn't really depress me. I am more bothered by the general negative and nasty tone of the piece, and the popularity of blogs that think humor is taking moderately bad comics and reviewing them with paragraphs composed entirely of profanity and name calling,than I am by the suggestion that I am not young and pretty enough for this guy's tastes. I'm ok with that. <BR/><BR/>There are absolutely artists and writers that are jerks who seem to hate their fan base, but that isn't how I have found the majority of the people I have met to be. This is also not to say that their aren't obnoxious fans at conventions, but in that capacity, they have probably paid to be there, and they are probably consumers of the products being sold/marketed. <BR/><BR/>Hurray for free speech I guessTalkin Bout Comicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18059141106345301700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-46644092208292501382008-11-17T18:28:00.000-05:002008-11-17T18:28:00.000-05:00I can't stand the Big Crapple Shows. Evan really s...I can't stand the Big Crapple Shows. Evan really said what a lot of us feel about them. Yes, he may have been a little over the top lashing out at the fanboys, but that show needs serious help.Philip Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17855474003224684094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-83528744295546737792008-11-17T17:39:00.000-05:002008-11-17T17:39:00.000-05:00Heh... so we shouldn't complain about obnoxious b...Heh... so we shouldn't complain about obnoxious behavior from comicbook fans? "Touch the magic..."<BR/><BR/>Sometimes you gotta tear down something to replace it with something better. It's just better to use a sledgehammer than a tactical nuke.Torsten Adairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01003810809542196460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-38241749525156164462008-11-17T17:35:00.000-05:002008-11-17T17:35:00.000-05:00Hmm... While I agree he might have went overboard,...Hmm... While I agree he might have went overboard, maybe it was the atmosphere of the con that helped lead to the locker-room behavior. Mr. Dorkin is a talented, intelligent lad, and, yes, we middle-aged fanboys can be a sad lot. But maybe he needs to just get out and rub elbows with working-class people who feel disenfranchised from the American Dream, who are approaching an age at which our parents and grandparents enjoyed retirement with the full knowledge that retirement of any kind might be out of our reach. Some of us lived through the Cold War, Vietnam, Wategate. Others lived through Reagan and his piss-down economics and recession after recession after recession while the divide between the wealthy and the working grew wider and the middle-class disappeared. Maybe we are uncouth and bitter, with bad manners and bad hair and bad odors. Maybe it's a sign of the polarization that has taken place and the new national motto of "you *can* judge a book by its cover -- or designer labels and what kind of car it drives."<BR/><BR/>Or maybe I'm just ranting.<BR/><BR/>I've never been to any con but Charlotte's Heroes Con. Lots of kids/families/girls/women. Even the most bitter of us middle-aged fanboys can relax and be pleasant, feeling in our element and wanting to share the experience. Ya'll come to Charlotte next summer.<BR/><BR/>We're even nice to Mr. Didio. :)Warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05863327737967527942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-18021981151117629272008-11-17T17:17:00.000-05:002008-11-17T17:17:00.000-05:00It's Evan Dorkin. Yes, he's critical. And, yes, ...It's Evan Dorkin. Yes, he's critical. And, yes, he raises many valid points. <BR/><BR/>I didn't laugh at his essay. Too much of it was true and sad. <BR/><BR/>Now, in regards to this post, yes, there are a lot of clueless fans. Why do we continue to see "shower regularly" on almost every convention list of advice? Dorkin is not criticizing ALL fans, just those without social grace. (I would guess that he has better things to say about MoCCA Fest and its attendees.)<BR/><BR/>He is not attacking all fanboys (and fangirls) just the type that this sort of celebrity/dealer show tends to attract. <BR/><BR/>As for no one buying indy comics if the "mainstream" won't support your store? Tell that to Art Spiegelman. Tell that to Pantheon, and Tokyopop, and Archie, and... Sure, lots of comicbook stores depend on DC and Marvel to pay the bills. Yes, the Direct Market allows creators to minimize their risk (by transferring it to the comicbook store owner). But you know what? Today, there are so many alternatives to comicbook stores. Many of the year's best titles on Publishers Weekly and Amazon were never published as comicbooks, but online, or as original graphic novels. <BR/><BR/>Sorry... getting off track. Evan Dorkin's rant was legitimate. Go read his Eltingville stories, which won the Eisner for Best Short Story three different times. He's talented, and he has a razor sharp wit.Torsten Adairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01003810809542196460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-88291039899112391972008-11-17T16:42:00.000-05:002008-11-17T16:42:00.000-05:00The guy was in the tri-state area and expected peo...The guy was in the tri-state area and expected people to <I>not</I> talk sports? Fuhgeddaboudit ...Arturohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09225034948614887038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-42324541674899833122008-11-17T16:35:00.000-05:002008-11-17T16:35:00.000-05:00Speaking as a member of that core audience, I find...Speaking as a member of that core audience, I find it much more rewarding in spreading the good word than tearing it down. <BR/><BR/>"If you build it, they will come". Cheesy, but it works. <BR/><BR/>Which is why a 15 year old boy came to NYCC earlier this year with his father and, on our recommendation, sought out Jeff Lemire and other great comics. <BR/><BR/>Which is why a girl in NY and a girl in the UK met on a message board and decided to share their love of comics to anyone who would listen. <BR/><BR/>Which is why we received a hand written letter via snail mail from a 15 year old girl who loves comics and is hoping to go to NYCC next year. <BR/><BR/>Just as I got a box full of comics from my uncle when I was a kid, I'm doing my part to share my enthusiasm for good books - hell, even for commercial popcorn books - to anyone who'll listen. <BR/><BR/>I'm much rather help to build this community and introduce it to newer readers than tear it down. An especially odd tactic when you're actually in the industry.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18303844041512373216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-3115186118088832712008-11-17T16:31:00.000-05:002008-11-17T16:31:00.000-05:00Hi.38-year-old collector here. I've been reading c...Hi.<BR/>38-year-old collector here. I've been reading comics since I was five, and am neither pot-bellied nor balding nor grizzled.<BR/>I do, however, hold a bachelor's and master's degree, and work in a professional environment.<BR/>I am also one of the economic engines that helps fire the industry. But if I'm too much trouble for Mr. Dorkin, perhaps I'll just reserve the money I've spent on comics for my three-year-old daughter's college education.<BR/>Which is a shame, really, because I was looking forward to introducing her to comics.GroovyDaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15039679811633641522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-12686595264319877232008-11-17T15:55:00.000-05:002008-11-17T15:55:00.000-05:00I love Evan's work, and i also love venomous rants...I love Evan's work, and i also love venomous rants WHEN THEY ARE FUNNY! He could have made the same points in a more humorous manner and I might have laughed. (Shatner's classic SNL speech, for example) <BR/><BR/>This seemed over the top, and way too condescending and unfair, especially when it sounds like many of the problems described were more the fault of those who planned and organized the con. Bootleggers and cramped artists' space has nothing to do with the fans. <BR/><BR/>He should have just done a strip of his experience where he could have ragged on everybody from a slightly more detached POV.JMYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12016847165500501360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-78005597054283005882008-11-17T15:09:00.000-05:002008-11-17T15:09:00.000-05:00Val,It was a real pleasure meeting you at the show...Val,<BR/><BR/>It was a real pleasure meeting you at the show Saturday. I hope the show went well for you and Lulu.<BR/><BR/>Evan’s post gives much to chew on but I would like to make a few comments.<BR/><BR/> I think Evan is spot-on with regards to how the show is run. The organizer pays no attention whatsoever to any of the proper details that are required to make the show fun and comfortable for the exhibiters, creators, and attendees. He jams the creators into the same size space no matter how many attend-- 60 or 100 make no difference. The aisles are tiny in Artists Alley and no thought is given to where and how people will be able move about and line-up to speak with the creators. Evan and Sarah were literally pinned against a wall with almost no room around them to maneuver and crowds of people lined up (for many different reasons) in front of them for most of Saturday. <BR/><BR/>It’s very simple, anyone who has been to these Big Apple shows these last dozen or so years can tell you that they are poorly planned and executed. I have spoken to more than a few guests who have come once and will never return--Mike Grell and Frank Brunner to name just two. The organizers appear to have one goal – to jam as many people as possible in to maximize their profit. If you don’t know what this show is like before you get there, I can easily understand not having a fun day. This is not MOCCA or SPX – no celebration of the form to be found.<BR/><BR/>One area where I disagree with Evan is that all day Saturday, there were long and constant lines for John Romita and Joe Sinnott. Chris Claremont had a steady flow of fans as did Michael Golden. Steranko as usual, was holding court with 4 or 5 people pretty much all day. Carmine Infantino did seem to have some down time but whenever I saw Roy Thomas sitting down; he seemed to have fans waiting to speak with him.<BR/><BR/>But to jam David Lloyd, Bryan Talbot, and Russ Heath into a corner with little to no fanfare or notice is ridiculous. If you weren’t looking for them, you would never see them. Again, no planning or care went into where they were placed.<BR/><BR/>No comment on the “Celebrity” guests, porn stars, wrestlers, strippers, or Playboy models -- I’m not there to see them. <BR/><BR/>I think Evan was over reacting to a bad experience ( blanket hating on older fanboys is really uncalled for and I appreciate your response) but I can see where the poor planning, crowding, and unseasonable heat can go a long way towards making it a miserable experience for all who attended. <BR/><BR/>Sorry for going on. I wanted to post a couple comments and I think it turned into Con Report.<BR/><BR/>Be well – I look forward to chatting with you again.<BR/><BR/>Loubiglouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11301566959727077047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-88853219394842336192008-11-17T14:36:00.000-05:002008-11-17T14:36:00.000-05:00"Without that core audience, this industry would b..."Without that core audience, this industry would be DEAD. Dead, dead, dead tomorrow."<BR/><BR/>Word.BradyDalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252479014150097407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25566450.post-62138580838031762932008-11-17T14:35:00.000-05:002008-11-17T14:35:00.000-05:00This is not the first time I have heard these sent...This is not the first time I have heard these sentiments. While I understand a lot about where those sentiments come from, and can even sympathize to an extent, I still think it's too harsh, and too blind to what the core of the market is. <BR/><BR/>Yes, this is the core of our market. These are the people who have kept this market alive for decades. Now that they've dedicated their lives to comic book product and took the industry this far, they can "die out" and make way for the "beautiful people," right? "We've got Watchmen & Dark Knight now. Gotta think upscale."<BR/><BR/>Without that core audience, this industry would be DEAD. Dead, dead, dead tomorrow.Vergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10083468076834391732noreply@blogger.com